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 on: April 17, 2014, 04:59:22 PM 
Started by soneric750 - Last post by mybigGod
Thanks Pete I agree God does whatever He pleases. For some reason He has decided that all that we are is sustained by Him. So it really doesnt matter what situations we go through. It only matters how we veiw ourselves in any situation. In trials the temptation is to feel disconnected from God and the purpose to make all things good that we relate to in the situation. The point is that God brings Himself glory by unifying all things to work for our good and for His purpose.
Salvation is the only hope we have because it is the only plan of redemption on this earth. We never are to be left in our sin and shame. Salvation is a way to encourage ourselves to hope that the future i will be better than we could ask or think. Got to go. Will write more.
Some people blindly accept that God is both 50 percent hateful in His response to our sin. That is  that we are responsible for sinning less. But God is also 50 percent of the time gonna forgive us.  But there is never a time that God does not forgive all of our sin. But this is very confusing. If God forgives all of our sin then why should He be angry at us to punish us for our sin? Its teaching one side and then teaching the other side by saying that God directs His anger at us and at the same time He loves us.

Other people teach that God works everything out so that we get pleasure by His pleasure. But there is a catch. Why would you do something against God and go against His irresistible pleasure. In an indirect way they are saying that God is not angry at us but only that we did not respect His pleasure. The point is that we have such a hard time in this culture seeing Gods anger and wrath turned away from us.

 on: April 17, 2014, 04:26:53 PM 
Started by BigOrange - Last post by Worc
The book Strange Fire is pretty disturbing for those of us of more charismatic persuasion. I think Michael Brown's critique is very good. I think, perhaps like a lot of topics on this forum, this can be used to bring up dissension where there should be none.

Lisa Please don't let a view bother you. As I said I sat in churches that claimed my *Brand* of Christian Affiliation is cold & dead.  I find my solace in what I find (Through church history and the Church Father') That is my way it MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT WAY!----If you feel fine-& your view and belief is backed up through scripture you should NOT worry----As CS Lewis once stated "we will see many surprises in Heaven"

We need doctrine in the church just as the Nation Needs a Constitution--But in the end we are fallible flesh---Some Charismatic's will be apostate as some Reformed will be apostate--I hated this Lord Lord Depart from me in scripture--Because knowing my wee bit of faith with my dis-obedience I always fear that will be me---So I try never 2 Prophesize  cheesy OK I really do fear at times-----

That is when I lean on  issues that this forum fights to the death about----But His Sovereignty is my comfort.

 on: April 17, 2014, 04:14:56 PM 
Started by BigOrange - Last post by Worc
to be fair, I am not sure MacArthur is condemning anyone to hell. I am pretty sure he hasn't got that power.

I actually learned a lot from him, I think good things, early on in my faith. I have the impression he has changed. I was only a regular listener for maybe one or two years. That would of been about 1980.
Anyway, I think there are good people who honestly believe, and I think its not far fetched, that indeed some people are heading for an eternity in hell. Or others believe annilation. And I imagine some believe it all turns out fine for either every one, or a whole bunch of people who are not considered christians at all.
But I don't think that anyone who thinks there is such a thing as some kind of less than desirable ending is a monster. And the scriptures do indicate that this less than great thing is in store for at least someone.
The thing is, one can make a case that things like "the name of Jesus", faith in Him specifically, repentance, no other name by which men must be saved, are in the scriptures. I have not heard what eactly MacArthur said. If he honestly expressed that he believes the scriptures say that certain characteristics are true of those reconciled with God, and was clear on his explanations on that, it would not be as bad as simply saying someone associated with a specific "branch" of the faith is on that merit alone heading for hell.
As I said I didn't hear it or see a transcript. My impression is that he went too far and was not allowing that he may be wrong. I don't think simply stating what he believes salvation is, would of been wrong. And I am sure that alone would of gotten a reaction. 

I think I actually agree with this POST!

 on: April 17, 2014, 02:15:06 PM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Crowwoman66
He is Risen!!!

 on: April 17, 2014, 02:05:40 PM 
Started by soneric750 - Last post by Worc
After going through my trial & falling well failing miserably when I (Thought) I did not get what I Deserved--WOW how embarrassing having to admit this! Somehow somewhere I took another road of if I do God will do all to my life' comfort & ease. HOW Heretical---

I allowed my path to fall of the narrow on to the wide.  OK I say this--So what have I done?

I decided to do some research trying to find the scriptures promising Followers a beautiful peaceful EZ life....I couldn't find it.. I found the opposite--Living in Christ & NOT being above Christ-He was scorned, rejected and hated and so shall we.  Wow Where did I pick up Olsteenism as a Reformed Bloke? My answer a lazy spirit enticed by a spiritual mentality.

For me I guess it all comes down to the Westminster Shorter Confession.
Q. 1. What is the chief end of man?
 A. Manís chief end is to glorify God,[1] and to enjoy him forever.[2]

In pleasure, pain-health, sickness-in good times and bad--God owes us NOTHING--

Question-How are you Worc? Worc replies Better than I deserve!


 on: April 17, 2014, 01:27:50 PM 
Started by makahiya - Last post by Worc
Nice post

 on: April 17, 2014, 01:24:30 PM 
Started by Lone Arranger - Last post by Worc
at I  firmly believe that this movement MUST be taken to its limit
You are NOT NEVER responsible for a Parents debt-The conclusion would be what mounts too utter chaotic Hades.

Sure I maybe more radical in many of my ideas--If the SS Dept gets back on this & they may--How many times have Gov Dept's left $$ on the table?

OK My point--My Kids were born into a tax system to support 14 Trillon $ National Dept. OK fine now they're kids God Willing will be born into a 20+ Trillion Debt that the Principle can not be paid off- The debt as far As I'm concerned is Odious-They were not her nor responsible for its reckless use--But they shall be saddled with OUR Debt...

Sorry this is unfair----Stop SS from collecting immoral debts a movement May spring up in some years by some 1st grader today in 20 years a constitutional Scholar explaining how this debt does NOT belong to them-We did not have the courage nor responsibility to balance our budget & hence mortgaged the future away---

So--In my mind His-Story will frown on our time -(IF) we do not wake up & drop our fears-and Saddle up to our faith and What our Articles do say----

My fear is we lost this nation wht we are doing now is emptying the ocean of lawlessness one bucket at a time--As we know the ocean can not be drained---Not sure if we will WAKE UP--But wont quit until the Lord's will be done--

 on: April 17, 2014, 01:08:57 PM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Worc
This is the first year That I decided to take back word meanings.

Yes Sunday is Resurrection Day!

I find it pretty cool how I have run into others whom been saying the same thing---Even when it comes to the secular--IE The 4th of July--Is Independence Day--

The sad thing is I am hitting the anti PC at my older age--Well??Praise God for His Long Suffering when it comes to folks like me

Happy Maundy Thursday!

 on: April 17, 2014, 11:30:19 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Rom 5:6

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

One of the major and obvious delusions of false religion is a denial of total depravity or total inability due to spiritual death by nature !

Most if not all religionists will cry that man has some ability, whereas the testimony of scripture and the true Saints deny that !

Paul here under the inspiration of the Spirit writes that when we [Believers] were without strengeth !

Now that word strength is not speaking about physical strength naturally, but spiritually, and the in the greek is adjective asthenēs and means:

I.weak, infirm, feeble, , impotent

In fact the word is translated as such here Acts 4:9

If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent G772 man, by what means he is made whole;

Now the word impotent needs to be defined to a better understanding of the word and the truth of God, it means:

not potent; lacking power or ability.

utterly unable (to do something).

lacking bodily strength or physically helpless.

But in the sense of Rom 5:6 it means lacking Spiritual strength and Spiritual helplessness !

It was for this reason Christ had to die to save His People from their sins, if not they are in a situation where they could not help themselves, they had no ability to !

But false religionists advocate that man naturally has spiritual ability, he has the ability to believe, to have faith, to come to God, to repent, to obey God Spiritually and on and on, in total contradiction to the Testimony of scripture !

Now even though many translations of scripture are dangerous, and only by the enablement of the Spirit of God can one be prevented from their deceptions, yet sometimes they capture the meanng of a word or words.

Rom 5:6

 6 While we were yet in weakness [powerless to help ourselves], at the fitting time Christ died for (in behalf of) the ungodly.AMP

This is the Truth of all men by nature, but the freewillers, and arminians and the such totally deny it to their destruction and arrogance !880

 on: April 17, 2014, 10:15:38 AM 
Started by makahiya - Last post by Crowwoman66
Again, not sure the point. No one is debating the validity of the incarnation here.

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