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 on: December 19, 2014, 08:17:34 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
2 Thess 2:10

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

But why didnt they receive the Love of the Truth that they might be saved ? Because it was not God's will for them to, and that they were merely natural men, never being born again, and never having partaken of the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit which results in belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13.

Now as mere natural men in the flesh they cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So by leaving man in a state of nature, which is in a experimentally lost state, God's purpose for sending a lost person the Gospel, was that they might be damned/increased damnation, and not saved or converted. God's Purpose of sending the Gospel to the dead is one of condemnation, Paul wrote of the Twofold nature of the Gospel 2 Cor 2:14-16

14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved[the spiritually alive], and in them that perish[spiritually dead]:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death[spiritually dead]; and to the other the savour of life unto life[spiritually alive]. And who is sufficient for these things?

Those who do not receive the Love of the Truth that they might be saved, is because they are perishing , according to the will and purpose of God !

 on: December 19, 2014, 05:35:51 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
We know this world was created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ that should culminate in the Marriage of the Lamb to His Wife Rev 19:7-9

Revelation 19:7-9King James Version (KJV)

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Thats why at Creation the First Marriage   took place with Adam and Eve  Gen 2:18-25

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

And in Vs 24 He goes back to the beginning prior to the Fall, and Paul refers back to that point in connection with His summary of the Redemptive Death of Christ and the Church, so it pictured Christ and the Church, a Mystery Eph 5:25-32

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

The Creation of the World was founded upon that Great Mystery Eph 3:9-11 !

It was the Eternal Purpose of God that there would be a Marriage between His Son the Lamb slain from the foundation, and those He would redeem by His Blood ! Rev 19:7-9

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

 on: December 18, 2014, 11:52:45 PM 
Started by BFDD - Last post by mybigGod
Deu 27 :16 “Cursed is anyone who makes an idol—a thing detestable to the Lord, the work of skilled hands—and sets it up in secret.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!” That one looks like the first commandment to not have any other gods.
Leviticus 20:9
“‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head." In the context of a covenant family this one looks like the 5th commandment.

Yes Ive heard this all of my life. The apostle is teaching our side and Gods side. We work and God works. But I do not believe the apostle is teaching two equal sides to the christian life. Nor do I believe that the balance gives us successful. But I believe the apostle is teaching us that God creates a new man in us and the obedience is a by product of our experience of Christ.

If you look at the teaching in a superficial way then it seems that the apostle is teaching a certain balance. But we know there are absolutes that we are required to believe that are not in this teaching. So we repeat this teaching as a kind of mantra. Its easy for us to use the scripture and fit it in our culture and community. But we know that the NT context of scripture comes from how the words were used in the ot. You will find this same teaching of the two sides (Gods and our side) in the 119th Psalm. But it is taught in a more detailed and personal way in the Psalm. So here the apostle is coming in a general way of teaching as a letter to a church ...hitting the main points and then moving on to the next point. If you studied the letters written by the apostle they all are in this similar motif.( Having memorized most of the apostles letters. )

What Ive been seeking to do is to kind of put meat on the bones of the teaching. As we make a further examination we will more and more bring the apostles teaching into the context of the all of the bible. And this is my approach having memorized the ot Psalms, proverbs... the ot worship and wisdom books. I mean over the years of writing about this subject it seems that most people stay on this as if the balance makes the christian life automatic. But there is so much more to examine that sheds light on the apostles teaching that needs to be uncovered. But such is our culture.  

 on: December 18, 2014, 08:26:43 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
We know this world was made for a redemptive purpose in Christ, who is the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

The Psalms helps us understand this Ps 104:24

24 O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom[Christ]
 hast thou made them all
: the earth is full of thy riches.

Ps 136:5

5 To him that by wisdom[Christ] made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Prov 3:19

19 The Lord by wisdom[Christ] hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

By Him, the Wisdom of God was all things made Jn 1:3

3 All things were made by him[Christ]; and without him was not any thing made that was made

So to detach the Creation of the World from a Redemptive Purpose in Christ, who is the Wisdom of God, and a Gospel Truth 1 Cor 1:24,30 is ignorance to God's Eternal Purpose for this World Eph 3:8-11

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

 on: December 18, 2014, 06:01:38 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
One of the reasons why the natural man rebels against the Gospel of God's Grace, because within the counsel of it, is the Truth of our natural total depravity / inability towards God and the things of God ! One of those inabilities and why man by nature cannot savingly believe the Gospel, that is be converted, its because he cannot hear [spiritually] God's Words, which is exactly what the Gospel is, God's Words, and Jesus says to natural men like you and i by nature Jn 8:43,47

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

That word cannot means, without the ability to hear !

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Jesus herer is telling us,by telling them, unless one is Born of God/or Of God, we cannot hear God's Word, and Faith comes by the ability to hear Gods words Rom 10:17 !

Outside of New Birth, man is totally and spiritually Lost and dead, and cannot hear spiritually. Man is this way until a Sovereign work of the Spirit makes Him alive Eph 2:3-5

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Thats the only hope man has to hear the Words of God, His Gospel, he must first be made alive !

 on: December 18, 2014, 03:30:15 AM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Lone Arranger
I've never used it.  I've never smoked either.  If I were to have cancer or something I'd try it to see if it would help, but it would have to be in a non-smoking form.  It's legal where I live, so it wouldn't be breaking the law.  Other than that I can't speak to the issue since I have no experience.

 on: December 18, 2014, 03:27:23 AM 
Started by Lone Arranger - Last post by Lone Arranger
Well, I see they FINALLY fixed this site.  I fear it may be too late in that many posters like myself gave up and left in frustration - not only over the site not working, but over lack of response in trying to get feedback from the site program managers.  It felt like they were trying to get rid of us.  I went so far as to finally delete all the saved links I had in frustration.  Now it appears to be working, but almost everyone has given up trying so there's no one to talk to...well, except for you if you are reading this.  I don't know if this site with it's lively exchange can be resurrected at this point or not.  Guess it's wait and see.

 on: December 18, 2014, 03:22:22 AM 
Started by morning listener - Last post by Lone Arranger
test to see if site is FINALLY working.

 on: December 17, 2014, 02:09:07 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Let me illustrate this freewill boasting concept and how Election puts a stop to it ! Jn 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Now whats makes the difference between those who receive Christ and those who dont ?

The one who is a boaster will say that it was his own freewill that made the difference, but the ones who believe in Election says God's Election made the difference.

See Election points to God making the Difference, but boasting points to their freewill making the difference in saved and lost, or who receives Christ or not.

So thats why Election to Salvation is so hated by the natural man, for then he cannot find cause to boast about what he had done to win God's approval over the other guy !

 on: December 16, 2014, 03:59:45 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
1 Cor 1:29

That no flesh should glory/boast in his presence.

That word glory is also translated boast as in Eph 2:9 !

Now, we as men by nature hate Election because it gives us no reason to boast about our so called freewill; Thats right, we cannot boast that I chose to believe with my own freewill and so God saved me because of it, and you didn't so God has not saved you ! Thats boasting whether we say it like that or not, but if in the final analysis one can say i am saved as a result of my freewill to believe, and since you didn't use that same opportunity of freewill afforded you, you are still lost, thats boasting or a cause to boast.

But the Pure Doctrine of Election takes that boast away, so the natural man hates that Doctrine !

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