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 11 
 on: June 29, 2015, 10:51:22 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Its out of this newness of Life, that Faith, Hope and Love flow, and also by it we receive a New Understanding according to Spiritual Light, of which is necessary to receive the Truth fruitfully Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Now this is key because of one word here " understandeth" its the greek word syniēmi and means:


I.to set or bring together

A.in a hostile sense, of combatants



II.to put (as it were) the perception with the thing perceived

A.to set or join together in the mind

i.i.e. to understand: the man of understanding


ii.idiom for: a good and upright man (having the knowledge of those things which pertain to salvation)

But this understanding man does not have by nature, this we know by Rom 3:11

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Its the same greek word as in Matt 13:23, and here Paul under the inspiration of the Spirit writes that there are NONE that understandeth !

So its quite reasonable to conclude that the ones understanding the Word of Salvation in Matt 13:23 must have Newness of Life, thats why its also said that one has a good heart.

Also by nature the understanding is darkened to the Truths of God Eph 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

This is a symptom of being dead spiritually or alienated from the life of God, but when we receive that newness of Life, we are given a New Understanding because of Christ's coming into the world 1 Jn 5:20

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

The giving us an understanding is the fruit of His coming, and so is the Newness of Life !844

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 on: June 29, 2015, 05:44:33 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Rom 6:4

4 Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Christ's Death for those He died for produces newness of life, or new birth . In Rom 6:4 Paul is explaining the end results of Christ having died for us, since those He died for died in union with Him, which death of His is called a baptism Lk 12:50

50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

Or they were baptized with Him; He said it[His Baptism] was to be accomplished, the same said about His Death Lk 9:31

31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Jn 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished or accomplished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

30 After Yeshua had taken the wine, he said, “It is accomplished!” And, letting his head droop, he delivered up his spirit.CJB

So all for whom He died, as their Head and Shepherd Surety Representative, died or was baptized with Him; And in the same manner Christ their Head was raised from the dead by the Glory of the Father, likewise/even so we [His Body] should walk in Newness of Life, which is the New Birth or a Spiritual resurrection from the spiritual dead See Eph 2:5-6, and its this fact which is symbolized by water baptism !

Note: Folks water baptism is worthless if its not done with a spiritual understanding that the believers was in election union with Christ in His Our death, burial, and resurrection, if that was not comprehended when water baptized, it was in vain !

Peter states the same fact to believers, how they had been begotten again [from the dead] by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ [Their Head] from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by[because of] the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

And the words begotten us again  anagennaó means:

I beget again, beget into a new life. hence in agreement with Pauls statement of Newness of Life in Rom 6:4; with these things in mind, its a given fact from the scripture of truth, that Christ's death for those He died for, produces for them a newness of life, just as sure and certain that He was raised up from the dead in their behalf and Justification Rom 4:25 !843

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 on: June 29, 2015, 03:23:39 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Jn 14:19

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Jesus here is speaking to and of His Sheep, and He makes this Promise to them "because I live, ye shall live also" !

He can say this because He is their Legal Head in Union with them, He is speaking as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, who by His Blood Shed, He will establish Life and Peace for the Sheep, by the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

BTW , If He is brought from the Dead as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, He died as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, and He did not die for us if we were not of His Sheep, neither shall we believe in Him for that same reason Jn 10:26 !

Since by this He was brought again from the dead, therefore He Lives and that forever more Rev 1:18

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

And because He now Lives as their Head and Shepherd, all the Sheep shall live also, and that's Jesus promise in our text Jn 14:19 !

They shall live also because unto them He has been made a Life-giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45, and so if everyone He rose as their Great Shepherd from the dead for Heb 13:20, doesn't be made to Live also, then Christ's words in Jn 14:19 are a lie, a cheat, He is a false witness, which i hope none who call themselves believers would ever admit to. And since all men without exception shall live and see Life Jn 3:36, they were not of His Sheep that He died for, to whom the promise of Jn 14:19 was made !805

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 on: June 29, 2015, 12:21:45 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
One of the most subtle falsehoods today that takes away credit from the death of Christ and its effects for all for whom He died, is that even though He died in their stead, they are under condemnation for their unbelief Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

False teachers say this means that even those for whom Christ died are already condemned because of unbelief !

The problem however is that those Christ died for are actually the Vessels of Mercy, and God has purposed to show them Mercy because of their unbelief Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he mighthave mercy upon all.804

You see that, Unbelief is the cause of God having Mercy upon them and not the cause of God condemning them.

This has been Illustrated by the Apostle who obtained Mercy [as a Vessel of Mercy] because of the evil he did in unbelief 1 Tim 1:13-14

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

You see that in Vs 13 ? Unbelief was the occasion for God having Mercy upon him not condemning him !

This was because Christ had gave Himself for Paul as he stated here Gal 2:20

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

When we are Loved by the Son of God, and He gave Himself for us, we obtain mercy for our unbelief and ignorance, not condemnation !

For one whom Christ died to die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 is a contradiction to the saving mercy and purposes of God in Christ !

Finally, those in Jn 3:18 who are in unbelief and already condemned, they are not condemned because of their unbelief, but because of their sins charged upon them, and not having Christ as their Surety, and so unbelief to them is a consequential evidence of remaining under the condemnation of the Law for their sins against it, because, believing not meant they were not of God's Sheep Jn 10:26 for whom Christ died Jn 10:11,15 !

 15 
 on: June 28, 2015, 02:41:24 PM 
Started by LuvChess - Last post by LuvChess
Hello. I just wanted to share this video that's been an encouragement to me, I hope it's an encouragement to you as well:

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/god-will-not-let-you-go

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 on: June 28, 2015, 01:39:12 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Gen 3:14-15

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent,[The Devil] Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee[The Serpent] and the woman, and between thy[Serpent] seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Many have ignored this very important passage of scripture, which informs us that their is amongst mankind, a race of people which belong to the devil Jn 8:44

44 Ye are of your father the devil[serpent], and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

No, this is not advocating that the devil or the serpent had any sexual relations with Eve, thats not even possible, but its human beings like you and i, born of male and female parentage like you and i, the difference being all these human beings belong to the devil, they are his spiritual descendants by the Judgment of God.

Now they the serpents seed, is everyone who was not originally created in Adam, in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

and consequently shall never through redemption, be conformed to the Image of Christ Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

All who were created in Adam, in the Image and Likeness of God, were created according to God's Eternal Purpose in Jesus Christ Eph 3:9-11

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:


2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Which purpose predestinated them to be conformed to the Image of Christ, who is the Grand Original  of the Image of God 2 Cor 4:4

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

And so if all whom were created in Adam, don't be confirmed into the conformity to the Image of Christ, who is the Image of God, then satan has defeated God's Creative Purpose for man in Adam, when Created in the Image and Likeness of God !

The only ones not to be conformed to Christ's Image, the Image of God, are the serpents seed, for they were never the Seed of Christ, they were added to Adam's Natural Headship because of transgression, but it was not so with them in the very beginning !

 17 
 on: June 28, 2015, 01:40:27 AM 
Started by beacon2 - Last post by savedbygrace
kings

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So then, let's look at just the key phrases here, and see if Christ's death on the Cross was sufficient for the salvation of all mankind

Too bad its not a scripture that specifically says that !

 18 
 on: June 28, 2015, 01:38:29 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Its like this, as evidence of our Union and solidarity with Adam when he sinned and disobeyed, we are born sinners/unbelievers, likewise as an evidence of our Union and solidarity with Christ, we are born again into obedience and Faith ! There was a Union with Both Heads, Adam and Christ ! The Union with adam cause , or authors our unbelief, The Union with Christ causes or authors our Faith ! Hence Jesus unto believers is the Author and finisher of Our Faith ! See Heb 12:2 !

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 on: June 26, 2015, 12:11:09 PM 
Started by beacon2 - Last post by Kings_kid
Did Christ die only for the elect?  The scriptures say otherwise.  Christ died for all men.
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John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoeverbelieves in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
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John 12:32
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." (John 12:32)
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Romans 6:10
For the death that He died, He died to sin, once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
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2 Cor 5:15
For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, that they who live should no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf. (2 Corinthians 5:15)
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1 Tim 4:10
For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. (1 Timothy 4:10)
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Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, (Titus 2:11)
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2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)
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1 Pet 3:18
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; (1 Peter 3:18)


So then, let's look at just the key phrases here, and see if Christ's death on the Cross was sufficient for the salvation of all mankind, or just the elect only.  (In reverse order using the Scriptures listed above.)


.....He died for sins, once for all...,,,,
.....He does not wish for any of us to perish, but wants all to come to repentance......
.....His grace appeared bringing salvation to all men......
.....He is the Savior of all men, especially we who believe......
.....He died for all......
.....He died to sin for all......
.....He draws all men to Himself......
.....Whoever believes in Him will not perish.....


It seems clear that He died for all mankind, yet only those who receive His unending Life will live eternally.  He does not desire anyone to perish, yet permits those who choose to continue their rebellion until their death to be destroyed in the End, since that will be the deepest desire of their hearts/minds/souls at the Judgment.

It appears that sbg has the correct title for this topic, but this shows him to be the one whose teaching is contradicting the Word of God.

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 on: June 26, 2015, 10:59:21 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Rom 3:24-26

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

God is Just in Justifying the Ungodly [while actually being ungodly] because of the redemption provided for them in Christ Jesus their Surety Head.

Those Christ died for, His death alone for them put away sin and the consequences thereof, all of its penalties, death included, by making propitiation/satisfaction by His Blood, which is again the propitiation in Vs 25

By this [His Blood] God's Wrath has been appeased, not by their Faith in His Blood, but by His Blood alone God was appeased on their behalf ! And because of this, Christ's blood has so washed away the sins of theirs and its effects, its now so , as if they never sinned, and they are completely Righteous before Him, all of which is solely based on His Precious Blood, and So God Justifies them, even while and when they themselves are personally born into this world in a ungodly state, when they are children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, and while they are with enmity in their minds and heart against God Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Now again, while those Christ died for are in this state of ungodliness, because of Christ's Blood, they are Justified, made Righteous before God, Hence, God Justifieth the Ungodly !

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