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 11 
 on: May 19, 2015, 10:44:29 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

God is to be Thanked if and when one believes or obeys from the Heart, because if God would not have first given them a Heart to Fear Him according to the Covenant Jer 32:40

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Without that, man cannot obey God from the Heart. The man by nature cannot obey God Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The word mind phronéma is inclusive of the Heart as well it means:

 thought, purpose, aspirations.

phrónēma (a neuter noun) – properly visceral opinion (the innermost, personal level of opinion); inner perspective as it determines (regulating) outward behavior, especially as it bears on the outward results (i.e. of exercising personal insight). Note the suffix, -ma, pointing to the result of the verbal idea. See 5429 (phronimos).

Thats why scripture speaks of blindness of Heart Eph 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

And blindness of the Mind 2 Cor 3:14

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The Mind is the intellectual aspect of the Heart, and so man by nature, his mind/heart is enmity against God, and not subject to obey God !

But thats exactly what one does when they become a believer, they obey God, they obey the Gospel which is antithesis to not obeying it as here told Rom 10:16

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Which is the exact opposite of those who Paul Thanked God for obeying the Gospel in Rom 6:17

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

The proud religious person will thank his freewill for any semblance of obedience to God !

The word obeyed in Rom 6:17 is the greek word hupakouó:

/hypakoúō ("obey") is acting under the authority of the one speaking, i.e. really listening to the one giving the charge (order). 5219 /hypakoúō ("to hearken, obey") suggests attentively listening, i.e. fully compliant (responsive).

to hearken to a command, i. e. to obey, be obedient unto, submit to,

And yet thats what the unregenerate heart/mind cannot do according to Rom 8:7 !

So once again, if we have Believed from the Heart, or Obeyed from the Heart the True Gospel, God is to be Thanked, that He delivered us over to its Power Rom 1:16 !

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 on: May 19, 2015, 04:46:32 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Just as some men have been appointed to stumbling and disobedience of the Word 1 Pet 2:8

8 and, A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence; for they stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

That word stumbling is the greek word proskoptō and means:

D.to be made to stumble by a thing

i.i.e. metaph. to be induced to sin

They were appointed to this sin of disobedience, they were appointed to be offended by Christ and His Doctrine and Cause !

But to some they had been appointed to obedience to the Gospel, and to such, the Gospel would be the ver converting power of God, and they were delivered unto it Rom 6:17 by God sending it to them.

Thats why Paul says that God be Thanked for their Obeying of the Truth from the Heart Rom 6:17

17 But thanks be to God, that, whereas ye were servants of sin, ye became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching whereunto ye were delivered;

In other words " thanks be to God ye became obedient from the heart"

Their becoming obedient to the Word was due not to their own freewill, but to God working in them both to will and to do of His Good Pleasure Phil 2:12-13

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Our obedience is effected by God's Working in us both to will and to do:

That word will theleo :

I.to will, have in mind, intend


B.to desire, to wish

A.to be resolved or determined, to purpose

Thats saying that our every wish, desire, having in mind, intention, resolution and purpose to do God's Good Pleasure is effected by and evidence that God is working in us !

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 on: May 18, 2015, 03:11:36 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
1Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Obedience here is Gospel Obedience, like when Paul said of the Gentiles Rom 16:26

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Paul wrote to some this Acts 13:26

26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

That is to them is sent by God the Gospel of their Salvation, the Word of Truth Eph 1:13.

Understand something here about Acts 13:26, God is doing the sending, and its being sent by God to a place of His Divineappointment and purpose.

Also God does not send a word of Salvation, or the Gospel of ones Salvation to a lost person, but to them that Fears God, Acts 13:26

26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

A lost person does not fear God, Rom 3:18

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

But when God sends the Gospel to them that Fear Him from a New Regenerated Heart, it is so that they may believe it and or obey it ! To believe its Doctrines, recall Paul writing to the Roman Believers this Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Now in the original this would read quite different " Thanks[be] moreover to God, that you used to be servants of sin, you have become obedient moreover, from the heart, to which you were entrusted to the form of teaching !

The ASV captures the original :

17 But thanks be to God, that, whereas ye were servants of sin, ye became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching whereunto ye were delivered;

See the force of that ? In other words they were delivered to, or handed over to the Gospel Doctrines to obey from the Heart !787

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 on: May 18, 2015, 04:48:34 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
That the natural man cannot savingly/conversionly believe on Christ is affirmed many times in scripture, Two of which are here in Jn 6:44,65

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Now notice the word Can in both verses, its the greek word δύναμαι and means:

I am powerful, have (the) power, (b) I am able, I can.

 to be able to do something

Here Jesus denies that man has the ability to come to Him, which is synonymous to Believe on Him !

See man by nature lacks the possession of spiritual life and qualities, especially mentally to believe on Christ. Mans mind by nature is alienated from all things Spiritual !

By nature mans mind is blinded 2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The word minds is the greek word noéma:

 a thought, purpose, design; the mind; the heart, soul, feelings.

nóēma (a neuter noun, derived from 3539 /noiéō, "to exert mental effort") – properly, the mind, especially its final output (systematic understanding, TDNT). Note the -ma suffix which underlines the result of the thinking, i.e. the personal verdict that comes out of using the mind.

a mental perception, thought.

We by nature have no mental perception as it regards spiritual understanding !

One aspect of believing the Gospel is spiritual understanding Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

This is an aspect of coming to Christ Jn 6:44,65 ! Now this Truth in and of itself proves the lie of mans freewill to come to Christ and believe to be just that, a lie!

Man by nature doesnt have the mind, will, or heart and affections to come to Christ ! Both Jn 6:44,65 are Divine Testimonies against mans natural abilty to believe on Christ in a way of Salvation/ Conversion !

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 on: May 18, 2015, 03:40:15 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Again, by nature, Man is under a Covenant of Works as was man was in Adam, and by it obligated to Obey God's Law in every precept of it without one plea for mercy in coming short of it, Perfect Obedience is demanded or else death. In Adam/nature we cannot sin then beg mercy, under law men die without mercy Heb 10:28

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Now Cp Jn 1:17

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Also, the Law came by Adam at the first , in keeping God's Command or else ! Gen 2:15-17

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

There is not a hint of mercy in the violation of this Commandment !

The Covenant of Moses was in principle was nothing more than a enlarged reflection of the Covenant with Adam ! Man in nature violated , broke these Covenants !

God says about man in Adam Hos 6:7

But they like men/adam have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

He says about man under the Law/Covenant of Moses Jer 31:32

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

Thats because it was a Covenant mandated upon strict Justice, without Mercy !

And so it is with all men by nature, they cannot be under the Gospel Covenant of Grace which Faith and Repentance are involved !

Gal 3:10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

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 on: May 18, 2015, 12:54:25 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Now for #3. There is a being saved spiritually from the power of sin. Now even those of us who by the Grace of God who were blessed to be legally saved by Purpose and the Death of Christ, legally saved from the Penalty and condemnation of Our sins, yet in actual time we are still spiritually lost in alienation from God, much like the Prodigal Son, he was Lost and dead to His Father Lk 15:24

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

But even then, he was a Son ! By nature all the Chosen are spiritually lost, dead in trespasses and sins,but still Sons, but have no life spiritually and no fellowship with God.

For this reason the Legally saved still need to be saved from a spiritually lost state, or to be converted, and this Saving is done by the Spirit Titus 3:5

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

And even this Spiritual Saving by the Spirit is in conjunction with and foundationed upon the Legal Saving done at the Cross !

We are Saved by the Purpose of the Father, The Purchase of the Son and the Application of the Spirit , to the Glory of God !

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 on: May 17, 2015, 02:39:28 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Its important to understand that the bible teaches to be saved in Three distinct ways, and all three are because of Christ, His Death of the Cross ! #1. All for whom God has Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

By this Eternal Purpose in Christ of Election the Chosen are already saved from the Penalty and condemnation of their sins before they even become sinners in real time !

This means, though unknown to them, there was never no danger of them being condemned to Hell for their sins ! Thats Because God Eternally had already Purposed for Christ to be condemned for them in their stead !

So was it really any real danger of any of them perishing in their sins, If God had already purposed to save them ? No its not, thats saying that God's Purpose might have been defeated and or disappointed !

#2. Those whom God has Chosen and Christ has died for, solely based upon His Death, they are legally saved from the penalty and condemnation of their sins, thats why its taught that those Christ died for, even while being enemies/unbelievers, they are nevertheless reconciled to God ! Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

As unbelievers and enemies they were saved from the penalty and condemnation of their sins, based solely on Christ's Death. The word reconciled in Vs 10 is the greek word καταλλάσσω:

I change, exchange, reconcile.

 to receive one into his favor

 to be restored to the favor of God, to recover God's favor

This is a Truth the unbelieving religious world cannot receive, but unbelievers and enemies that Christ died for are not under His Wrath and or Condemnation like others Jn 3:18,36 but instead are in God's Favor, and Peace, not because of anything they did, or anything did in them, but because of what Christ did for them !

Even being Saved from penalty and condemnation of sin by the Purpose of God as in Point #1 its foundationed upon the Legal effects of His Cross, in time, because Gods being is Eternal, He is not bound by time to realize His Purpose as men are who are creatures of time. He being Eternal could reckon the Legal benefits of Christ's death as a done deal from eternity and so, In the Purpose of God He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[In Purpose] from the foundation of the world.

1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained[in purpose to be slain] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

However it was in Time and by the Cross, He actually died and paid the Legal debt for their sins, they being always in God's Purpose charged to Him and not to them !

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 on: May 17, 2015, 11:59:09 AM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Kings_kid
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Regarding the fact that the Bible is the most unique Book in history, let's start with some basic observations:

The Bible is actually a library, or Book of books, containing 66 Books, divided among the Old and New Testaments/Covenants, (39 in the OT, and 27 in the NT), written over a period of some 1,500 years, from around 1450 B.C. (the time of Moses) to about 100 A.D. (following the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ).  

It was written using 3 different languages (Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek) under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit by over 40 different authors from all walks of life: shepherds, farmers, tent-makers, physicians, fishermen, priests, philosophers and kings. Despite these differences in occupation and the span of years it took to write it, the Bible is an extremely cohesive and unified book.

As a work of literature, it has the finest stories ever told:

the greatest drama of all time,
the greatest evils, the greatest good
the greatest romance, the greatest mysteries
the greatest moral code, the greatest future for mankind
the greatest (auto-) Biography of a real, and eternal, SuperMan

It was the first book ever printed on a printing press, and it has been the "best-seller of all time" ever since then.  It has been translated into over 2,000 languages, and portions of it have been translated into many more.  It is a book whose phrases and concepts have been incorporated into more literature, of all forms, than any other.

In addition to giving us vast historical information, and great literature, much of which can be verified via archeology (with more being verified over time), the Bible presents a consistent Message of the love of God for His creation, revealed in the sending of His Son, Jesus Christ, to be for mankind a Savior from both sin and the ultimate consequences of sin.  Here are some of the topics covered, citing only one or two of the chapters where each topic can be found:


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Ascension..Acts 1
Backsliders...Hosea 14
Beatitudes..Matthew 5,6,7
Bread of Life..John 6
Brotherhood..Romans 14
Builders..Nehemiah 4
Burden-Bearers..Galatians 6
Call, Universal..Isaiah 55
Chastening..2 Corinthians 4
Comfort..Psalm 23
Confession..Psalm 51
Consecration..Philippians 3
Constancy..Ruth 1
Contrast..Deuteronomy 28
Converts..Psalm 32
Deliverance..Acts 12
Divinity..John 1
Duty..Romans 12
Faith..Hebrews 11
Flood..Genesis 7
Friendship..1 Samuel 20
Fruit..John 15
Gifts..1 Corinthians 12
Giving..2 Corinthians 9
Gideon's Band..Judges 7
Good Shepherd..John 10
Heaven..John 14, Revelation 7, 22
Holy Spirit..John 14, 15
Humility..John 13
Instruction..Proverbs 1
Intercession..John 17
Joy..Isaiah 12
Jubilee..Leviticus 25
Judgement..Matthew 25
Law..Exodus 20
Life, Frailty..Psalm 90
Love..1 Corinthians 13
Messiah..Isaiah 53
Ministers..1 Corinthians 4
Missions..Psalm 72, Romans 10
New Covenant..Hebrews 8
Old Age..Ecclesiastes 12
Omniscience..Psalm 139
Over-comers..Revelation 2, 3
Passover..Exodus 12
Praise..Psalms 103 & 145
Prayer..Daniel 6, Luke 11, 18
Prosper, Wicked..Psalm 73
Prosper, Righteous..Deuteronomy 8, 28
Providence..Psalm 121
Refuge..Numbers 35
Regeneration.. John 3
Rest.. Hebrews 4
Resurrection..1 Corinthians 15
Revival..2 Chronicles 30, Luke 3
Safety.. Psalm 91
Service..Luke 10
Shepherd..John 10
Soldier's..Ephesians 6
Teacher's..1 Corinthians 2
Temperance..Proverbs 23
Tithing..Malachi 3
Tongue..James 3
Transfiguration..Matthew 17
Unity..Ephesians 4
Vanity...Ecclesiastes 4
Watchman's..Ezekiel 33
Water of Life..John 4
Wisdom..Proverbs 3
Woman's..Proverbs 31
Word of God..Deuteronomy 6
Worship..Psalm 84
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The Index in the first post above for this subtopic can also serve as a list of unique features of the Bible.  For example, can you find another book, of any kind, which has the same, or similar, record of prophecies and their fulfillment?  

Does any other book have multiple levels of meaning and values, which all present a connected, consistent basic message (such as the meanings of names and places, numerical symbolism, picture language in the original, foreshadowing, historical accuracy, special non-obvious encodings, etc, all pointing to Jesus Christ)?  

Can any other writings in history claim a 20 centuries-long record of physical / emotional / spiritual healings and positive behavior transformations, among people of a great variety of cultures and languages?  Does any other book have a better moral code, or show God's love for us so clearly?  
Does any other book offer everyone complete forgiveness for their wrongs, and the removal of their sin, (by free undeserved grace through God-given faith), and promise a perfect unending future (in Christ)?  If not, why not study it closely....and open-mindedly....and obediently....


Finally, let us remember what some well-known people have said about the subject --

George Washington: "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible".

Abe Lincoln: "I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man.  All the good from the Savior of the world is communicated to us through this book."

Patrick Henry: "The Bible is worth all the other books which have ever been printed."

Napoleon Bonaparte:  "The Bible is no mere book, but a Living Creature, with a power that conquers all who oppose it."

Daniel Webster: "If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity."

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 on: May 17, 2015, 03:05:14 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
We have read in scripture the commands or imperatives to repent and believe the Gospel, or similar to it ! Mk 1:15

15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

BTW in the original it is THE Gospel with the definite article, because its the one and only Gospel of God, there are no other Gospels !

All this mess about it being different gospels for different dispensations and people is nothing but a Lie !

Acts 19:4

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 20:21

21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 17:30

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 16:31

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

The word believe here in the original is an imperative making it a command to be obeyed, not an offer !

Now these commands cannot be issued to any by nature, for all men by nature are experimentally under the Law, the Covenant of works as was Adam, under which the alternatives are only fully obey the command of God or die, repentance is not an option, this is the mandate to all by nature; hence to demand Gospel obedience to men and women in nature is against the Nature, Holiness and Truth of God, the soul that sinneth it must die ! Thats the strict Justice of the Law or Covenant of Works !

So Gospel Commands can only apply to experimentally New Creatures in Christ, Born of God, Born of the Spirit. This is so to give evidence of New Life from Christ, and so Faith and Repentance are Gifts Granted from that New Life from Christ, which indicated they were not under the Law by Nature, but Under Grace by the Spirit ! So its not even possible to command those in nature, the flesh, unregenerate to Repent and Believe the Gospel !

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 on: May 16, 2015, 02:01:30 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
1 Cor 1:6-9

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Call of the Gospel as it pertains to Salvation, its a Call to the redeemed unto the Fellowship of God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ ! This being the case, its of necessity that the ones being called are Holy, the Children of Light, they must already be New Creatures, Babes, for the simple fact, Christ is who Light cannot fellowship with darkness, and before being Spiritual babes, we are not only in darkness, but we are darkness Eph 5:8

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

That applies to us all by nature ! God doesn't call darkness to the fellowship of the Light 2 Cor 6:14

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Before fellowship with Christ, iniquity must be taken away before God can receive us into fellowship Hos 14:2

 Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.

The Gospel for us to come to Christ or God in Christ, its only to those who have had their iniquity taken away 2 Cor 5:19-21

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19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

This is the Testimony of God confirmed in the Called 1 Cor 1:6 !

Now what many false teachers neglect to realize is that the Call in Vs 20 is strictly to them that have no sin charged to them or to their account Vs 19,

Iniquity for them has been taken away, they have been made New Creatures Vs 17, and now is their Call to Fellowship in the Truth, with Him that was made sin for them, that they should be made the Righteousness of God in Him , 1 Cor 1:9 ! Again God cannot and will Call darkness unto the Fellowship of the Gospel and His Son ! Phil 1:4-6

4 Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy,

5 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;

6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:782

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