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 on: April 24, 2015, 04:37:10 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

All those for whom Christ died, by His Death alone, not only was God reconciled to them, but they are reconciled to God ! Thats right Believers [The us in in our text] are experimentally reconciled to God by Jesus Christ ! The word by dia is the greek prep that means primarily:

A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act

C.of means the means of


A.the ground or reason by which something is or is not done reason of

ii.on account of

iii.because of for this reason


v.on this account

The channel by which they acted in their conversion was by means of Jesus Christ !

The word reconciled katallassō : change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value reconcile (those who are at variance)

B.return to favour with, be reconciled to one receive one into favour

It denotes reconciling both parties that were at varience or contention or enmity, so that the enmity we have towards God by nature in the flesh Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

That enmity is defeated, so that now we become  reconciled to God in ourselves, we are no longer enemies in our minds by wicked works Col 1:21

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

The word reconciled here is the word apokatallassō and means: reconcile completely reconcile back again

III.bring back a former state of harmony

You see, Christ's reconciling death in order for it to be successful and to have accomplished the will of God completely, it must not only legally reconcile God to us, but at the same time stimulate our experimental reconciliation / conversion back to God !

 on: April 23, 2015, 10:56:20 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Many in false religion tell us that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, but that is false witnessing. We know that Christ died for the sin of unbelief because, those He died for, are by His death, reconciled to God while they are enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we[Believers] were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They were reconciled to God , while they were unbelievers and enemies, not by believing, but strictly by the Death of God's Son ! That fact alone is proof that Christ's Death paid for their sin of unbelief, because if it didnt, they could not be in a state of reconciliation with God, which is also peace with God, while still remaining enemies and unbelievers !

Now, in addition, if it were true that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, then it would mean that Christ did not even die for the very first sin man committed in Adam, which was the sin of unbelief/disobedience. The disobedience man is first guilty of here is unbelief Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience/unbelief many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The sin of our first parents Adam and Eve was unbelief, just as in the sense as it is stated here Heb 3:12

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Eve disbelieved the True and Living God who had blessed her and her Husband, and instead believed the father of lies, the devil Jn 8:44.

Now God had made it clear to Eve, that the consequences for eating of a certain Tree would be Death Gen 2:16-17

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Yet the devil, the serpent said to her this Gen 3:4

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Eves Transgression consisted in believing the serpent over and above of what God had said, its quite simple, here obedience to the voice of the serpent evidenced an unbelief in what God had told her, for satan made it seem that God had deliberately misled her by stating Vs 5

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Now that began the sin of Man in Adam, a sin of unbelief coupled with disobedience !

 on: April 22, 2015, 11:10:58 AM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Kings_kid
So what about the "jots and tittles" in Scripture which Jesus mentioned, Matthew 5:17-18?  These may have to do with special markings Moses used, supposedly, to add an initial layer of meaning to the surface meaning of the text.  Let's look at some examples from Lion and Lamb Ministries (especially Monte Judah), which are taken from Hebrew Torah scrolls (Masoretic text), since these types of "jots and tittles" don't show up in any English Bibles -- they simply aren't translated.

There have been several other interpretations, but for our purpose here, a "jot" or "yot" is an extra dot in the text, while a "tittle" is a small extension or "horn" added to a Hebrew letter.  There are roughly 100 "jots and tittles" in the standard Older Testament (which may be seen in a good Hebrew interlinear and/or a "Chumash", which has commentaries also).  

[[There are four types of related features in the Scripture: a) special indentations, as with the verses of the Song of Moses; b) special open gaps in the writing (and the gap is part of the Torah teaching) -- to get you to pause and take note; c) "crowns" or small markings put above certain letters (only 7 letters can have crowns) -- often considered the "tittles" -- part of the "Treasures of the Torah"; d) word pictures and numerical values of the letters of the alphabet (each letter of Hebrew has a number assigned to it and a picture of an object/action -- see the posting about Hebrew letter/word pictures).]]

Here are the actual classes of the "jots and tittles": a) extra dots associated with certain letters; b) enlarged letters; c) shrunken letters; d) suspended letters (letters lifted up above the rest of the letters in that line).  All of these are ancient variations in the usual lettering of the Torah scrolls, duplicated meticulously.

The first class, the extra "jots/dots" occur 4 times in the Torah (first 5 Books) and 7 times in the rest of the Bible (all in the Book of Psalms, in particular Psalm 107).  Genesis 33:4 is the first jot in the Bible -- in the story of Jacob and Esau -- Jacob is returning to his home after a long exile (to avoid being killed by Esau), the two brothers embrace and kiss -- and there is a set of jots/dots above the Hebrew word for kiss -- traditionally these points are said to refer to the teeth of Esau, meaning that the kiss was not true affection but more a "kiss of death", and though Esau didn't immediately kill Jacob, still there was animosity passed on to the descendants of Esau (the Edomites) toward descendants of Jacob (Israel) -- they were frequently at war with each other.

{this sub-topic under construction -- about half done}

 on: April 22, 2015, 03:00:45 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Jn 15:26

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify/bear witness of me:

What I believe Jesus to be saying here to His Church, that following His Death for them, the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, will be sent to them to bear witness of Him,and yet this Work/Mission of the Spirit is not restricted to them only, but for the whole ransomed Church which He gave Himself in behalf of  Matt 20:28

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

1 Tim 2:6

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

God by the Spirit would give Apostolic Testimony to all the ransomed Isa 35:10

They shall believe on Christ by their [The Apostles] word Jn 17:20

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall [inevitably] believe on me through their word;

The Spirits coming, the Spirit of Truth, in the economy of Salvation, was to give Testimony inwardly of the Truth of Christ, to all the ransomed, redeemed Church of God, bringing them to Faith !

 on: April 21, 2015, 06:54:34 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Gen 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Abraham's Name as well as Sarah's are very significant as it pertains to the Covenant made known to Abraham, or as some call it, the Abrahamic Covenant ! Abraham's Name properly means " Father of the Multitudes" and Sarah, Princess even Princess of the Multitudes, even the Name Change to Abraham was because he was designated the Father of Many Nations, because in their seed Christ, the Nations/ Multitudes shall be blessed. The greek word for Nations, ethnos means a multitude, hence in the Abrahamic Covenant and the Promises made to Abraham, the Messianic blessings was never to be considered to belong to or confined to one Nation, but its Children and Heirs was to be out of All Nations !

 on: April 21, 2015, 11:34:48 AM 
Started by The Changeling - Last post by Jeffrey
Well, I am really not a theological person as much as some. Mostly what I find I end up doing isn't to question the neat little package another person has constructed so much as to question how they came to think they were the one to figure everything out correctly on things that "the church" has argued and debated about for centuries.

 on: April 21, 2015, 11:33:40 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace


Great, then explain back the points i made with scripture, then point out what you disagree with and why, and we will discuss it ! Thanks !

 on: April 21, 2015, 11:31:54 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
That the jews, Abraham's physical seed according to the flesh, born by means of nature, blood, that they were not the Children of God, nor Heirs of God or Promise, its seen in Paul's inspired writing of Gal 4, where hagar and her son by Abraham ishmael symbolize israel national, Abraham's Seed according to the flesh and according to  the mosaic Covenant at sinai, also Abraham's natural seed, for according to the analogy ishmael represents  national israel and which as he was, they were not Heirs, this is seen by statement Gal 4:30

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

What can be more plainer ? National israel , Abraham's physical seed has no part in being Heirs to gether with these Patriacrchs Heb 11:8-9

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

National israel according to the flesh, they are excluded from the above Inheritance of Promise !

Again Gal 4:30 makes that clear, also see Gen 21:10

10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Now if anyone believes that Abraham's physical descendants israel according to the flesh, have any future promises to be fulfilled to them as Heirs, based upon Heb 11:8-9, they are deceived, and that hope shall end in shame at the Second Coming of Christ, I assure you !

 on: April 21, 2015, 11:09:40 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by Jeffrey
Do  you believe that one's salvation can be lost?

Did you read post 31?
Yes. So  my point of question was because this is written to believers, in this case it was written to believers in Galatia, but it speaks of Christ becoming of no effect to you.
So I was wondering what you take from that.

 on: April 21, 2015, 09:53:41 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
We are guilty of Teaching Salvation /Justification by works of the Law, when we teach that any conditioned by man must be performed in order to be made Just or Saved by God, and we are guilty of denying Christ !

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