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 11 
 on: January 27, 2015, 11:21:31 AM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Kings_kid

This question, of whether the picture of God in the Older Testament is far different from the Father that Jesus presents, seems to be a frequent focus, especially in "liberal-scholar" circles.  The Scriptures make it clear that God was/is/always will be the truest Love in essence and nature -- it is our unrighteousness which wants to see a satanic god in the Bible Jesus used.

See the first posts above for more Scriptural support.

This topic remains a challenge for many Believers, and of course, for non-believers.  Have you found a better explanation (than in the first post above), of the great love God has always shown us -- even B.C.?

 12 
 on: January 27, 2015, 10:24:27 AM 
Started by LuvChess - Last post by B.Player
If someone is praying for me, I want the person who is weeping.

 13 
 on: January 27, 2015, 10:19:58 AM 
Started by B.Player - Last post by B.Player
One danger has passed, but another is on the horizon.  I need to find a permanent solution so these problems don't keep popping up.

 14 
 on: January 27, 2015, 03:09:35 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
The predictions in the OT made on the Kingdom of Israel are to be understood literally, but Spiritually, and not naturally, because, the israel naturally,Abraham's physical children according to the flesh, they be not the Children of God Rom 9:8

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

So that the NT Body of Christ, Abraham's Spiritual Seed has fulfilled the OT predictions regarding Israel, which means God fulfilled all the Promises made to Israel in the formation of the NT Church of the Body of Christ, comprised of both jew and Gentile believers in Christ, and that's a fact whether we believe it or not !

The NT Church is the continuation of True Believers from the OT Church [of Believers  like Moses Heb 11:26]

Note: Moses would have been persecuted by the natural jews of Christ's Day for His Faith in Christ, much like Paul was and the other Apostles !

And all such are the Spiritual Children of Abraham !





Another reason why the OT Promises to Israel cannot refer to israel according to the flesh, meaning those jews that are his natural descendants, they not being the True People/ Children of God Rom 9:8, they are quite the opposite according to scripture light, they are ishmaels, thats what the scripture reveals and indicates in Galatians, which is seen in Gal 4 by allegory Gal 4:22-30

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22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Notice Vs 25 !!!! That represents natural israel, the same ones Paul writes of in Rom 9:8 not being the Children of God.

The natural jews , were only physically related to Abraham as ishmael was, but had no part in being Heirs Together with Abraham and His Spiritual Children, they have been cast out just like Vs 30 in allegory indicates, with a most solemn Promise "for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."

Rom 4:13

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

The natural jews israel, Abraham's physical descendants, have no part in the Promise to Abraham and His Seed here in Rom 4:13, none whatsover !

So none of those OT Promises and or predictions applied to them !813

 15 
 on: January 26, 2015, 11:48:33 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
The Sanctification of the Spirit is unto obedience ! What obedience ? Its the obedience of Faith to the Faith.
 
1 Pet 1:2
 
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
 
The word obedience here is the greek word hypakoē:
 
obedience, compliance, submission
 
2) obedience rendered to anyone's counsels, an obedience shown in observing the requirements of Christianity
 
Its the same word used here Rom 1:5
 
5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
 
This obedience to the faith answers the law of faith, mentioned Romans 3:27.
 
The act of faith is the obedience of the understanding to God revealing, and the product of that is the obedience of the will to God commanding.
Faith is an act of obedience , for its commanded to believe 1 Jn 3:23
 
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ,
 
Obedience is used for Faith here Rom 15:18
 
18For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
 
And here Rom 16:26
 
26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
 
The submission of Faith. Remember Paul said the jews had not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God Rom 10:3
 
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
 
Paul is basically saying they have not believed, they had no faith.
 
But this is the obedience the Holy Spirit works into each elect vessel of mercy, He brings them unto obedience unto Faith.
 
2 Thess 2 :13 states the same here :
 
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
 
Belief of the Truth here is an obedience to it, a submission or hearkening to it Gal 3:1
 
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?14

 16 
 on: January 26, 2015, 02:39:37 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Jn 6:33

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

In other words the Life given from the bread of Heaven to the World In Jn 6:33 is the same as that given by the Last Adam of 1 Cor 15:45 and its based upon His Redeeming Death and Blood. When Jesus made the statement in Jn 6:33 it was based on His Finished work on behalf of that World He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25 the Church !

Note something here in Jn 6:33, this Life is absolutely given, bestowed, or communicated, or imparted, and is not something as is falsely implied, as merely offered, or made available, such who teach or imply that are nothing short of proud antichrists, but Christ is said to be specifically giving Life unto this World, Life out of Him Jn 1:4

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

The Life is Spiritual/Resurrection and Eternal Life, New Birth Life !612

 17 
 on: January 25, 2015, 02:17:47 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
I'm going to subtitle this :

Gal 3:10

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Lets make no mistake about it, anyone claiming to be saved and or Justified before God based upon their faith, or their act of believing, you very well may be under the curse of the Law, simply because, faith whether you believe it or not, is a work of the Law Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Faith Jesus says to these religionists, is one of the more weightier matters of the Law THAT OUGHT YE HAVE DONE !

John Gill on this verse and the word Faith in this context writes:

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"Faith" may not only design faithfulness in a man's keeping his word and promise, and fidelity to a trust reposed in him; but also faith in God, as the God of providence, and as the God of grace and mercy; believing in his word and promises, and worshipping him, which the law requires; and the rather this seems to be intended, because Luke, instead of "faith", puts "the love of God", which faith includes, and works by, and is the end of the commandment, arising from faith unfeigned: so that Christ instances in the weightier matters of both tables of the law, which these men neglected, and the latter, as well as the former; not believing the revelation of the Gospel, nor the Messiah, who was promised, and prophesied of by God, in the writings of the Old Testament:

The Purpose of the Law was to be a Schoolmaster to Faith in Christ, yeah even under the Mosaic Administration Gal 3:24

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

So, now if we believe that our act of Faith in Christ is the reason why God Justified us, we are claiming that God Justified me because I obeyed the Law, did that which I ought to have done !

And once our thinking is there, we fall into the ripe condition of our text Gal 3:10

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

That means if we are under the impression that by doing Faith, a work of the Law, is the basis why God saved or Justified me, we are then obligated to continue to be in obedience to the Law perfectly, if we are to saved from the penalty of our sins, and one false move to complete obedience to the Law, in act, thoughts, or speech disqualifies us from Eternal Life, and must be Eternally Cursed as these Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

That word cursed here is the same word in Gal 3:10 ! So they are cursed for not keeping God's Law as they ought to have done ! And so are we if we continue in the thinking that , God Justifies me because of my act of Faith or Believing, which i ought to have done !1513

 18 
 on: January 24, 2015, 11:42:18 AM 
Started by B.Player - Last post by Kings_kid

It is likely that the person you describe needs to be awakened to their own powerlessness and need for God.  May they be drained of their own sense of power and be moved to turn to a new Source.  Real soon.

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 on: January 24, 2015, 11:35:58 AM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Kings_kid

Messianic prophecy in Psalms (notice especially Psalm 22) with corresponding fulfillment in the Newer Testament.


The Messiah:

Would be rejected by Gentiles---Psalm 2:1...Acts 4:25-28
Political and religious leaders would conspire against Him--Psalm 2:2...Matthew 26:3-4
Would be a King---Psalm 2:6...John 12:12-13
Would be the Son of God---Psalm 2:7a...Luke 1:31-35
Would declare that He was the Son of God---Psalm 2:7b...John 9:35-37
Would be resurrected and crowned as King---Psalm 2:7c...Acts 13:30-33
Would ask God for His inheritance---Psalm 2:8a...John 17:4-24
Would receive authority over all---Psalm 2:8b...Matthew 28:18
Would be the Son of God---Psalm 2:12a...Matthew 17:5
Would reject those who did not believe in Him---Psalm 2:12b...John 3:36
Infants would give Him praise---Psalm 8:2...Matthew 21:15-16
Would be given authority over all things---Psalm 8:6...Matthew 28:18
Would be resurrected---Psalm 16:8-10a...Matthew 28:6
His body would not be subject to decay---Psalm 16:8-10b...Acts 13:35-37
Would be exalted to the presence of God---Psalm 16:11...Acts 2:25-33
Would come for all people---Psalm 18:49...Ephesians 3:4-6

Would cry out to God---Psalm 22:1a...Matthew 27:46
Would be foresaken by God---Psalm 22:1b...Mark 15:34
Anguished, would pray without ceasing---Psalm 22:2...Matthew 26:38-39
Would be despised---Psalm 22:6...Luke 23:21-23
Would be mocked by people shaking their heads---Psalm 22:7...Matthew 27:39
Mockers would say of Him, "He trusted God, let Him deliver Him"---Psalm 22:8...Matthew 27:41-43
Would be aware of His Father from His youth---Psalm 22:9...Luke 2:40
Would be called to God's service from the womb---Psalm 22:10...Luke 1:30-33
Would be abandoned by the disciples---Psalm 22:11...Mark 14:50
Would be surrounded by evil spirits---Psalm 22:12-13...Colossians 2:15
His heart would burst, flowing with blood & water---Psalm 22:14a...John 19:34
Would be crucified---Psalm 22:14b...Matthew 27:35
Would thirst---Psalm 22:15a...John 19:28
Would thirst shortly before His death---Psalm 22:15b...John 19:30
Would be surrounded by Gentiles at His crucifixion---Psalm 22:16a...Luke 23:36
Would be surrounded by Jews at His crucifixion---Psalm 22:16b...Matthew 27:41-43
His hands and feet would be pierced---Psalm 22:16c...Matthew 27:38
None of His bones would be broken---Psalm 22:17a...John 19:32-33
People would stare at Him during His crucifixion---Psalm 22:17b...Luke 23:35
His garments would be divided---Psalm 22:18a...John 19:23-24
Lots would be cast for His clothes---Psalm 22:18b...John 19:23-24
His atonement would enable believers to be His brethren---Psalm 22:22...Hebrews 2:10-12

None of the Messiah's bones would be broken---Psalm 34:20...John 19:32-33
His offering of himself would replace all sacrifices---Psalm 40:6-8a...Hebrews 10:10-13
Would say the Scriptures were written of Him---Psalm 40:6-8b...Luke 24:44
Would come to do God's will---Psalm 40:7-8...John 5:30
Would not conceal His mission from the congregation---Psalm 40:9-10...Luke 4:16-21
His betrayer would be a friend whom He broke bread with---Psalm 41:9...Mark 14:17-18
Would speak with a message of grace---Psalm 45:2...Luke 4:22
His throne would be everlasting---Psalm 45:6-7a...Luke 1:31-33
Would be God---Psalm 45:6-7b...Hebrews 1:8-9
Would act with righteousness---Psalm 45:6-7c...John 5:30
Would ascend into Heaven---Psalm 68:18a...Luke 24:51
Would give gifts to men---Psalm 68:18b...Matthew 10:1
Would be hated by many without cause---Psalm 69:4...Luke 23:13-22
Would bear reproach, for God's sake---Psalm 69:7...Matthew 26:65-67
Would be rejected by the Jews---Psalm 69:8a...John 1:11
His brothers would disbelieve Him---Psalm 69:8b...John 7:3-5
Would be angered by disrespect toward the Temple---Psalm 69:9a...John 2:13-17
Would bear reproach, for God's sake---Psalm 69:9b...Romans 15:3
His disciples would fail Him in His time of need---Psalm 69:20...Mark 14:33-41
Would be offered gall and vinegar---Psalm 69:21a...Matthew 27:34
Would thirst---Psalm 69:21b...John 19:28
Potter's field would be uninhabited---Psalm 69:25...Acts 1:16-20
Would speak in parables---Psalm 78:2...Matthew 13:34-35
Would be at the right hand of God---Psalm 80:17...Acts 5:31
Would be a descendant of David---Psalm 89:3-4...Matthew 1:1
Would call God His Father---Psalm 89:26...Matthew 11:27
Would be God's "firstborn"---Psalm 89:27...Mark 16:6
Would be a descendant of David---Psalm 89:29...Matthew 1:1
Would be a descendant of David---Psalm 89:35-36...Matthew 1:1
Would be eternal---Psalm 102:25-27a...Colossians 1:17
Would be the Creator of all---Psalm 102:25-27b...John 1:3
Would be accused by false witnesses---Psalm 109:2...John 18:29-30
Would pray for His enemies---Psalm 109:4...Luke 23:34
His betrayer would have a short life---Psalm 109:8a...Acts 1:16-18
His betrayer would be replaced---Psalm 109:8b...Acts 1:20-26
Would be mocked by people shaking their heads---Psalm 109:25...Mark 15:29-30
Would be Lord---Psalm 110:1a...Matthew 22:41-45
Would be at the right hand of God---Psalm 110:1b...Mark 16:19
Would be a Priest in the order of Melchizedec---Psalm 110:4...Hebrews 6:17-20
Would be at the right hand of God---Psalm 110:5...1 Peter 3:21-22
Would be the "Stone" rejected by the Jews---Psalm 118:22...Matthew 21:42-43
Would come in the name of the Lord---Psalm 118:26...Matthew 21:9
Would be a descendant of David---Psalm 132:11...Matthew 1:1
Would be a descendant of David---Psalm 132:17...Matthew 1:1


[[ I invite you to verify these in Scripture, as i will be.  Thanks. ]]

 20 
 on: January 24, 2015, 08:07:10 AM 
Started by B.Player - Last post by B.Player
With all the new technologies in use, our expenses have gone up greatly, but real wages have gone down and a lot of the decrease in wages could be attributed to the new technology.  So how are people paying for these new expenses if their wages have gone down?  I suppose they are doing without or getting more into debt.

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