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 on: August 19, 2015, 05:19:11 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Is this world everyone without exception ? By no means, in fact the verse tells us who are comprised of this World.

Its everyone that has been reconciled to God, that God has reconciled to Himself ! Now does that apply to every human being without exception ? No it does not !

Secondly, its  everyone that has not and God will not impute their sins unto them !

In other words, its a world of blessed men and women who David calls blessed here Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

And Paul quotes the same in Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Its a world full of men and women whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered !

Its a world full of folk that God will not impute sin, lay it to their charge ! And please note it says He will not do it, ever, not now, not in the future !

John Gill comments on Rom 4:8

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Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. As he does not to those whom he justifies in Christ, and by his righteousness; for the sins of such he has imputed to his Son, as their surety; and he has bore them, took them away, having made full satisfaction for them; so that these persons will never be charged with them: they now appear before the throne without fault, and are blameless and irreproveable in the sight of God, and therefore must be eternally happy; for he will never think of their sins any more to their hurt; he will remember them no more; he "will never reckon them to them", but acquit them from them, justify and accept them; wherefore they must be secure from wrath and condemnation, enjoy much peace and comfort now, and be happy hereafter.

Thats who the World is in 2 Cor 5:19, those who are #1 Reconciled to God, #2 Have no sins charged to them !

Is that all without exception ? Jesus shall say to many who evidently have iniquity laid to their charge this Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now how could they possibly be of those which it is said Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. See Rom 4:7-8

which are those in 2 Cor 5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

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 on: August 19, 2015, 03:40:51 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Now the natural man is simply any person who has not be Born Agan, who has not been Spiritually renewed Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Note: This Spiritual renewing of the Holy Ghost saves us !

The word renewing anakainósis means:

renewing; a renewal or change of heart and life.

This change brings with it a renewed understanding. For instance the word heart means:

The vital center and source of one's being, emotions, and sensibilities.

The seat of the intellect or imagination

The greek word kardia

the heart; mind, character, inner self, will, intention, center.

specifically, of the understanding, the faculty and seat of intelligence

The scripture indicates that we understand with the heart, for Jesus commenting on those who could not believe on Him says Jn 12:39

Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

And the word know in 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Its the greek word ginóskó and means:

I am taking in knowledge, come to know, learn; aor: I ascertained, realized.

to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of;

In fact some translations even read instead of know :

The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.NIV

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.ESV

But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.AMP

Its translated understand in the KJV here Lk 18:34

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Acts 8:30

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

Also the word denotes more than a natural,  theoretical, notional, mental,  academic understanding or knowing,

But denotes an experimental knowledge of these things, a Spiritual feeling of them, as they permeate our spiritual affections given in New Birth and Spiritual life, there is a spiritual intimacy we realize with the things of God, as His Spirit makes them known in our renewed hearts, and this the natural man cannot have or experience with the things of God, which the Gospel is !

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 on: August 18, 2015, 07:20:13 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
However, this aspect of their reconciliation and forgiveness by the death of Christ, still leaves them in spiritual death, or dead in trespasses and sins as in Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

So by nature, even though those Christ died for are dead in sin, they still have been forgiven of all them, and reconciled to God, even while they are spiritually dead !

But here is where the Promise comes in, which states, those reconciled to God by Christ's death, while they are yet enemies, dead in sin, they shall be saved by/in His Life !

This means that they shall be saved out of that dead state of enmity and being enemies, by His Life, they shall be quickened by His resurrected Life ! Thats what Paul means here 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Thats right, in His Resurrection from the dead, He was made a life giving Spirit, to give life to those for whom He lived and died for. They already have total forgiveness of sins, but now they need Life out of the dead. Christ, their Adam rose from the dead and was seated on the Right Hand of God to give them Life, which is also His resurrection Life for them ! Same thing is implied here Rom 6:4-5

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

In order to conform us into the Likeness of His Resurrection [which was for us anyway if He died for us] then we must be given to partake of that resurrection life which He does for us as a Life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45, which in turn saves us out of our spiritual death and being His enemies Rom 5:10 ! So the reconciled in Rom 5:10, while being enemies, shall be saved from being enemies, by Christ's Life.

This must happen and is promised to happen to everyone Christ died for !

So how could Christ had died for all without exception, when all without exception are not #1 Reconciled to God by His Death, and #2 Saved out of Spiritual death by His Life ? This saving is the same Paul speaks of also in Titus 3:5 by the renewing of the Spirit, which is the result of Christ being a Life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45 !

 14 
 on: August 18, 2015, 08:08:18 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Now because the Gospel Truths needed to be Spiritually discerned in order to be believed/embraced in Faith, the Messengers of it, before they could begin their world wide campaign starting in Jerusalem, they had to tarry and wait for the Promise of the Spirit Lk 24:46-49

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4

And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 2:33

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

The first preachers of the Gospel needed the Power of the Holy Spirit to equip them for their campaign and to equip their hearers with ears to hear, those who had been ordained to Eternal Life Acts 13:48 !

They Preached the Gospel with the Holy Ghost sent from heaven 1 Pet 1:12

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Then and only then would it come to the Elect with Power 1 Thess 1:4-6

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

The word power here dynamis is the same greek word used in Lk 24:49

And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

This is the Day of Power Prophesied by David here Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

This promise they shall be willing denotes their conversion by the Gospel through the Spirit, like how the Thessalonians in the Day of Gospel Power 1 Thess 1:5, turned from idols to serve the True God 1 Thess 1:9

9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

That word serve douleuó:

 I am a slave, am subject to, obey, am devoted.

properly, to serve as a slave, having all personal ownership-rights assigned to the owner; (figuratively) to willingly give over the prerogative to be self-governing.

That word willingly means:

Done, given, or accepted voluntarily or ungrudgingly

Which looks back to the promise in Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

That word willing nedabah:

voluntariness, freewill offering

So this voluntariness is the result of the Day of Christ's Power, the Giving of His Spirit !

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 on: August 17, 2015, 02:21:11 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Paul teaches that man by nature does not accept the deep spiritual truths of the Gospel, simply because they must be spiritually discerned, examined, investigated or appraised and digested.

The things of the Spirit of God spoken of are all things proper in declaring the Person and Work of Jesus Christ and Him crucified, as the beginning context of 1 Cor 2 sets forth 1 Cor 2:1-2

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Some manuscripts will read the Mystery of God instead of the Testimony of God !

As for myself, brethren, when I came to you, I did not come proclaiming to you the testimony and evidence or mystery and secret of God [concerning what He has done through Christ for the salvation of men] in lofty words of eloquence or human philosophy and wisdom;AMP

And I, having come to you, brothers, did not come in accordance with superiority of speech or of wisdom while proclaiming to you the mystery of God.DLNT

The totality of the Gospel preached to jew and gentile is a Mystery nonetheless Eph 6:19

19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Some erronously think that the Mystery of the Gospel is Limited to the union of both jew and gentile in Christ, being made one, though that is true, its not exclusive, for John Gill writes :

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to make known, the mystery of the Gospel; or the mysterious doctrines of it, such as the doctrines of a trinity of persons, of the union of the two natures in Christ, justification by his righteousness, regeneration by his Spirit and grace, the saints' union to Christ, and communion with him, the resurrection of the dead, &c. which are called mysteries, because they were hid until revealed; and though revealed, the "modus" and "ratio" of them are not to be accounted for. Now the apostle's work was to make known these mysteries, to prove the truth of them from the word of God, and to defend them against the opposers of them; and that he might be able to do this he entreats the prayers of the saints.

For remember, the Gospel must be inclusive of the Person and Work of Christ, what it accomplished and who for !

Therefore the Gospel must be revealed or made known to us by the Spirit of God.

This is the very meaning of the word declaring 1 Cor 2:1

And I, brethren, when I came to you declaring unto you the testimony of God, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom.

Its the word kataggelló:

 I declare openly, proclaim, preach, laud, celebrate

to announce, declare, promulgate, make known; to proclaim publicly, publish

Like in Eph 6:19

19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known/declare the mystery of the gospel,

It also accompanies the idea of revealing something as in the word reveal in 1 Cor 2:10

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

The greek word for reveal  apokaluptó means:

 to make known, make manifest, disclose, what before was unknown;

Simply meaning the Spirit uses Gospel Preachers to make known the Mysteries of the Gospel, so Ministers are :

Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. See 1 Cor 4:1-2

Yet these Gospel Mysteries of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ cannot be believed by the natural man 1 Cor 2:14 !

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 on: August 17, 2015, 08:47:56 AM 
Started by B.Player - Last post by savedbygrace
man cant obey Jesus by nature, he cant please God while in the flesh ! Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

man cant submit/obey to God Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So it looks like you need to study that passage you posted, have you did that ?

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 on: August 17, 2015, 08:39:58 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This is one scripture with the Truth it contains, it assures us that Christ did not die for the sins of all mankind, unless all mankind shall be saved by His Life ! And we know the bible does not teach that all mankind without exception shall be saved by the Life of Christ !

However we know from this scripture #1 Those Christ died for were, while yet being enemies/unbelievers, reconciled to God ! How ? By the Death of His Son, thats how !

Now this being reconciled to God by His Sons death denotes forgiveness of sins, and heres why !

The word reconciled here katallassō and its the same word Paul uses in 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

And this reconciliation consists  of non imputation of their sins, which is forgiveness of sins according to scripture Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


So those in the world of 2 Cor 5:19, because of non imputation of their trespasses unto them, they are most blessedly forgiven and reconciled to God Rom 5:10, which is solely by the death of Christ for them, not because of their repentance, or believing, because it occurred while they were still being enemies !

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 on: August 17, 2015, 06:55:22 AM 
Started by B.Player - Last post by B.Player
Matthew 7:24-27English Standard Version (ESV)

Build Your House on the Rock
24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”


Notice two things here.  First, it is not God who builds the house, but man.  Secondly it is the actions of man that determine how well the house stands up to the floods.  Obey Jesus and the foundation of your house will be solid.

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 on: August 16, 2015, 01:04:48 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Rom 10:10

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Now its amazing how the proud self righteous religionist believes that this act of the Heart is done by the uncircumcised hard stony heart of man by nature, which is described by one sacred penmen Jer 17:9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Now when we say Heart, we mean this :

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I.inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding

A.inner part, midst

i.midst (of things)


ii.heart (of man)


iii.soul, heart (of man)


iv.mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory


v.inclination, resolution, determination (of will)


vi.conscience


vii.heart (of moral character)


viii.as seat of appetites


ix.as seat of emotions and passions


x.as seat of courage

Namely the inner man, with his appetites and passions, mind, will and heart !

Now more is said of the heart of the natural man Gen 6:5

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his[man] heart was only evil continually.

Gen 8:21

21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

And back in Jer 17:9, the word desperately is the word 'anash

iii.desperate, incurable, desperately wicked, woeful, very sick (pass participle) (metaph.)

Its incurably wicked ! What does incurably mean ?

that cannot be cured.

an incurable disease, not capable of being reformed; hopeless.

Now its no secret that none of us by nature believe this terrible indictment on the human heart by nature !

I lay this foundation about the natural heart of man, so when we see scriptures like Rom 10:10. When the activity of the heart is performing a godly activity such as " believing unto Righteousness", then it must be a New Heart such as Ezk 36:26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh[by nature], and I will give you an heart of flesh[by new birth, that is now spiritually sensible to Divine things].

Rom 10:10 is describing the activity of the New Heart given in New Birth !864

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 on: August 15, 2015, 02:18:47 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

This drawing is the result of the New Birth, the inward teaching of the Spirit.

Jesus said also that those who come to Him have been Taught of God Jn 6:45

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

The word taught above is the greek word didaktos and its the same word used here 1 Cor 2:13

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

So the teaching above in Jn 6:45 that results in one coming to Christ, is that which is done by God the Spirit, and hence that is drawing to Christ. So the drawing is nothing less than New Birth / Regeneration, equating to Spiritual Instruction that leads to Christ !

So in essence Jesus is saying also in Jn 12:32, that if He be lifted up [speaking of His death on the cross] that all for whom He is Lifted up in behalf of, shall be regenerated, taught of God, and come to me ! They shall be made willing in the Day of His Power to come to Him Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

For Drawing means many different things spiritual like:

Spiritual Resurrection, Circumcision of the Heart, taking away the heart of stone and putting in a heart of flesh, Illumination, putting His Spirit within us to teach us, causing us to walk in His statues, to keep His Judgments to do them Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

I received many thoughts on this subject from a "treatise on regeneration" by Peter Van Mastricht Pg 12 !

http://books.google.com/books/about/A_Treatise_on_Regeneration.html?id=rgcMAAAACAAJ

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