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 11 
 on: July 22, 2014, 03:30:09 PM 
Started by BFDD - Last post by BFDD
Here's their link: http://jesusbaptistchurchinternational.org/ABOUT_US.html Their doctrinal statement is rather brief and they have no "position papers" online, so clarification of their doctrines is difficult.

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 on: July 22, 2014, 06:36:42 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
1 Jn 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

It was given to believe on His Name as stated in Phil 1:29

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

To those of us who Truly believe, it was given to us to believe as an evidence to know that God has given us Eternal Life, which Life was in His Son Jn 1:4, in other words believing on Christ is given to be proof positive that God did quicken us together with His Son when He raised Him up from the dead Eph 2:1-6

 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

This quickening with Christ is outside of any Gospel Obedience, we were totally passive therein and included the whole Body of Christ for which He died, but there comes a time when each member must be quickened individually as proof that they were part of the Body that was quickened together with Christ, when He was quickened from the dead, and that is what believing on Him signifies, and that quickening is a consequence of having Eternal Life Legally imputed !

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 on: July 22, 2014, 04:16:24 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Heb 4:2

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.NIV

They were not of those who Peter wrote of here 2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Now Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22, and hearing the Gospel preached without having the Spirit, so that it produces Faith, it profits us nothing, does no good, its like as Paul said, in word only 1 Thess 1:5

For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

This scripture therefore makes it clear that in order to hear the Gospel unto believing it, we must have the Spirit, or be born of the Spirit, like Jesus said Jn 8:43,47

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

And heres why said Jesus:

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Not of God, simply means not born of His Spirit, so we cannot hear God's words with profit unless we have the Spirit of Faith 2 Cor 4:13

We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

Also Heb 4:2 tells us that the OT Believers during Moses Time, heard and believed the same Gospel that this N T writer believed, that's clear Heb 4:2

2 For unto us [NT Believer] was the gospel preached, as well as unto them[OT Believers]: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

John Gill writes:

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as well as unto them, or "even as they"; for though the Gospel was preached to the Israelites in the wilderness, in the ministry of Moses, and by types and sacrifices; yet they were not evangelized by it, or cast into a Gospel mould, or brought into a Gospel spirit: however, it was preached unto them; which shows the antiquity of it; the sameness of the method of salvation in all ages; the necessity of salvation by Christ, and the unity of Christ's church under different dispensations:

The Gospel is like living bread or food and so it must be fed to them that are alive from the dead for it to be profitable to  their hearing !

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 on: July 22, 2014, 03:19:16 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
What about Gospel Duties ? Faith and Repentance both are Gospel duties in regards to Salvation,this we do not and cannot deny, Repentance is commanded Acts 17:30

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

What did Peter preach here Acts 2:37-38

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

That word repent metanoeō which means:

I.
to change one's mind, i.e. to repent

II.
to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

Its an imperative, which is defined as:

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The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding. Thus, Jesus' phrase, "Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mk.1:15) is not at all an "invitation," but an absolute command requiring full obedience on the part of all hearers.

To Believe on Christ for all of Salvation is a command of the Gospel Acts 16:30-31

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Again, the word believe  pisteuō which means:

I.
to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
A.
of the thing believed
i.
to credit, have confidence


B.
in a moral or religious reference
i.
used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
ii.
to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

iii.
mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith


II.
to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity
A.
to be intrusted with a thing

This word also is an imperative with the same meaning as above !

So we cannot deny these as required duties in the realm of Salvation, HOWEVER, we affirm them to be duties required to only those who are in a saved state of Salvation ! They are duties commanded only of the saved, those who are presently in the Spiritual Kingdom of Christ, and hence commanded as He is their King and they now reside in His Kingdom, that's why it is also called the Gospel of the Kingdom, because its a Gospel to those who hath been birthed into His Kingdom, or as its stated in Col 1:13

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Notice that word delivered, its the greek word rhyomai and means:


I.
to draw to one's self, to rescue, to deliver

II.
the deliverer

Note when someone is being drawed to Christ as per Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

That means they have been delivered, rescued, saved !

Yes, those who do repent and or believe are merely giving evidences of being already in a saved state, having been delivered, evidence that they are in Christ's Spiritual Kingdom by New Birth. That's why those duties , or commands are issued, to give evidence of Christ having saved them, rescued them, delivered them by His death, from the power of darkness, for such only can obey His Kingdom commands ! Repentance is a Kingdom dutie  Mk 1:15

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

 15 
 on: July 21, 2014, 11:11:24 PM 
Started by anaya999 - Last post by BigOrange
 F00000ZE-BALL,awwwv cawws!/ Afro

 16 
 on: July 21, 2014, 10:56:10 PM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by BigOrange
 Book still not here... huh

 ...but I did stay @ a Holiday Inn Express last night,not really cheesy....and found this!!/  cool

 http://www.mercifultruth.com/eternity.html

 17 
 on: July 21, 2014, 08:23:31 PM 
Started by makahiya - Last post by BFDD
I too prefer the KJV. It's my "gold standard" by which I measure other English versions. My gold standard verse being 1 John 5:7.

 18 
 on: July 21, 2014, 06:00:21 PM 
Started by makahiya - Last post by Kings_kid

When Jesus gives convincing proofs, they are infallible.

When He gives sure proofs, they are not fallible in any way.

When He shows proof in many ways, we can count on each way being infallible.

He is perfectly consistent.  And convincing, and sure, in as many ways as He chooses to reveal Himself.

 19 
 on: July 21, 2014, 05:55:42 PM 
Started by anaya999 - Last post by Kings_kid

Well, we will all be involved in a "Final Accounting", right, anaya?

And either we will "give an account" of what Jesus has done for us, or of what we have done to suppress and reject Him.  The last Credits, and Debits...

 20 
 on: July 21, 2014, 05:51:22 PM 
Started by makahiya - Last post by Kings_kid

A different translation of the original languages of the Bible isn't necessarily "another" Gospel, though some may be (like the New World Translation of the JW's).

Let's see if the English Standard Version says the same things as the KJV in these verses, or if it has made any fundamental changes in meaning.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4  ESV
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,..."

Ephesians 2:8-9  ESV
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,  not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Romans 10:17  ESV
"So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ."

Romans 10:9-10  ESV
"because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.  For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved."

Romans 10:13  ESV
"For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”"

Galatians 1:8-9  ESV
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.  As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."


I see only minor differences between the KJV and ESV on these verses.  So the ESV is not "another gospel", right, maka?  Or do you see some important corruptions which change the meaning?

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