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 on: March 24, 2015, 05:30:18 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
All whom The Lord Jesus Christ saves, they have been ordained unto good works Eph 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

And that which she was performing upon Christ her Lord and Saviour was a good work Matt 26:9-11

9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.

10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.

11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.


Mark 14:3-9

3 And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.

4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?

5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.

6 And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.

7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.

8 She hath done what she could: she is come aforehand to anoint my body to the burying.

9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Now couple that with the fact that she is said to Loveth much because she perceived she was forgiven much as stated here Lk 7:47

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

This was her Faith working by Love Gal 5:6

For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Faith in Christ will always be accompanied by Love, because they both fruit of the Spirit of Christ in them Gal 5:22 and because they both Gifts of His Grace , Paul writes 1 Tim 1:14

And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Thats because they are fruit of His Spirit which He gives to each redeemed sinner whom He dies for; Also because they are in Him. Yes the women was in Christ Jesus. Faith and Love they come from the Bridegroom, who is the Head of His Body the Church, His Bride.

Faith in Christ must be accompanied by Love or it is nothing 1 Cor 13:1-2

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

That word charity is the greek word ἀγάπη and is translated Love up to 86 times ! Its the word used here Lk 7:47 !

Now this is crucial to understand and also shows the absurdity of how a unregenerate sinner can have Faith in Christ, when that Faith works by Love, and it is above blasphemy to suggest that a unregenerate sinner can Love the Lord Jesus Christ, but yet that is exactly what the enemies of God are telling us when they tell us that one can believe on Christ in Gospel Obedience in a unregenerate state, you may as well say also that a unregenerate sinner can Love God as well, void of God's Spirit !827

 12 
 on: March 23, 2015, 02:31:34 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Continuing with that thought of Union with Christ legally, and because of it, who and what we are as sinners by nature, the children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, that was crucified with Christ, so we read Rom 6:6

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

In the original, it would better read, " Knowing this, that our old man was [past tense] crucified with Him "

Thats True only because of being in Union with Him. The  original word for crucified systauroō actually means:

I.to crucify along with the word with denoting a Union association ! Thats Union with Christ !

Paul says the same thing of himself personally, though as just seen, it applys to all for whom He died Gal 2:20

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Again, thats past tense, was crucified with Christ ! And notice, out of that and nevertheless he lived, out of being given Life from Christ !

Hence, it is no such thing as Christ dying for our sins without us already in the purpose of God being in Union with Him, those in 1 Cor 15:3

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

The Ones " Our sins" applies to, every last one of them had to be in Union with Christ at the Time He died for their sins ! BTW that is an Election Union !684

 13 
 on: March 23, 2015, 12:28:18 PM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Kings_kid
Hey Kk,
How do you interpret the following two scriptures:
Quote
2 Peter 2:17
These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.

Quote
Jude 1:13
They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

Personally,  I hope nonbelievers will not suffer eternally for their rejection of Christ,  but the scriptures do say otherwise IMO.


As far as "blackest darkness" goes, God/Christ is Light and being totally apart from Him is darker than the darkest darkness.  Being totally apart from the One Who is Life is to have no life at all.  And in the final Kingdom, there will be no darkness and no evil people kept alive.

Let's take a look at what the Word says:


1 John 1:5
"This is the Message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all."

Revelation 21:
"1 Now I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.  2 Then I, John, saw the holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, prepared as a Bride adorned for her Husband."
.....
4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.  5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these Words are true and faithful.””
.....
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.  8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the Lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the Second Death.”
.....
22 But I saw no temple in it (the New Jerusalem), for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its Temple.  23 The City had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its Light."

Revelation 22:25
"There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them Light. And they shall reign forever and ever."


So there will be no darkness in the New Jerusalem, the final Kingdom, and yet according to Isaiah 66:24 we will be able to go out and see the dead bodies of the lost in the Lake of Fire which never goes out.  So "blackest darkness" is a picture of complete death, a rendering into non-existence away from the Light, with only ashes remaining, as Malachi says.

It is similar to saying the lost will be cast out into "outer darkness", in total separation from God, after the Judgment, even though God is everywhere present, and He is perfect Light with no darkness in Him at all.  When He is fully present, in the new Kingdom, there will be no more evil, no more darkness, no more death, no more rebellion -- only the all-pervading Rule of His brilliant Love.  The former things, and the former people in rebellion will be no more...


Psalm 37:10
"For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; indeed, you will look carefully for his place, but it shall be no more."

Psalm 104:35
"May sinners be consumed from the earth, and the wicked be no more. Bless the Lord, O my soul! Praise the Lord!"

Malachi 4:3
"You shall trample the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the Day that I do this,” says the LORD (YHWH) of Hosts.'


I forgot to mention another writing i was referred to which does a good job of analyzing the Hebrew/Greek words which are often translated, or rather mistranslated, as "hell" (Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna):

http://tentmaker.org/articles/jesusteachingonhell.html


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 on: March 23, 2015, 12:03:27 PM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Kings_kid
Man, he still at this?!  Shocked

As long as people teach the unScriptural concept of the unending, unmerciful, torture of the majority of mankind, there will be a need for showing what the Word of God actually says.  See the outline in the first post above for Biblical references.   kiss

 15 
 on: March 23, 2015, 11:43:50 AM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Kings_kid
Hey Kk,
How do you interpret the following two scriptures:
Quote
2 Peter 2:17
These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.

Quote
Jude 1:13
They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

Personally,  I hope nonbelievers will not suffer eternally for their rejection of Christ,  but the scriptures do say otherwise IMO.


As far as "blackest darkness" goes, God/Christ is Light and being totally apart from Him is darker than the darkest darkness.  Being totally apart from the One Who is Life is to have no life at all.  And in the final Kingdom, there will be no darkness and no evil people kept alive.

Let's take a look at what the Word says:


1 John 1:5
"This is the Message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all."

Revelation 21:
"1 Now I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.  2 Then I, John, saw the holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, prepared as a Bride adorned for her Husband."
.....
4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.  5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these Words are true and faithful.””
.....
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.  8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the Lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the Second Death.”
.....
22 But I saw no temple in it (the New Jerusalem), for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its Temple.  23 The City had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its Light."

Revelation 22:25
"There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them Light. And they shall reign forever and ever."


So there will be no darkness in the New Jerusalem, the final Kingdom, and yet according to Isaiah 66:24 we will be able to go out and see the dead bodies of the lost in the Lake of Fire which never goes out.  So "blackest darkness" is a picture of complete death, a rendering into non-existence away from the Light, with only ashes remaining, as Malachi says.

It is similar to saying the lost will be cast out into "outer darkness", in total separation from God, after the Judgment, even though God is everywhere present, and He is perfect Light with no darkness in Him at all.  When He is fully present, in the new Kingdom, there will be no more evil, no more darkness, no more death, no more rebellion -- only the all-pervading Rule of His brilliant Love.  The former things, and the former people in rebellion will be no more...


Psalm 37:10
"For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; indeed, you will look carefully for his place, but it shall be no more."

Psalm 104:35
"May sinners be consumed from the earth, and the wicked be no more. Bless the Lord, O my soul! Praise the Lord!"

Malachi 4:3
"You shall trample the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the Day that I do this,” Says the LORD (YHWH) of Hosts.'

 16 
 on: March 23, 2015, 08:16:30 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Now what does this mean ? Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

If its indeed true that those who believe, were dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, again simply meaning by His Death, it means that Believers had a secret Union with Christ when He died for Our sins ! This is something that all religionists fail to understand, yet in order for Christ to have died legally for the sins of others 1 Cor 15:3, there had to be already established in the first place a legal union /bond, for that is first in importance; It had to be a Legal Ground and basis for God being able to charge Christ with sins of others in order for Him to die for them.

There had to be a preexisting condition/union, and that was established in the Eternal Purpose of God in Election before the Foundation of the World Eph 1:4, and so of Him [God the Father were we united to Christ, in Him with Legal Union 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Without such Union in Him, there was no basis for Him being a  Kinsmen Redeemer for Redemption.

Thats why Paul wrote that He Loved and gave Himself for the Church Eph 5:25,26 which is His Body Vs 26, hence He was the Legal Head of His Body the Church, His Wife also, making it a Just cause before God, to charge His wifes sins to His account, or the sins of His Body to Him the Head !680

 17 
 on: March 22, 2015, 01:33:06 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Not following, I don't get my religion from message boards...

Ok !

 18 
 on: March 22, 2015, 01:32:23 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Folks this is a profound Truth, but they for whom Christ died are dead to the Law, and so they are dead to the sevre consequences of having sinned against it, one such consequence is death; Recall back in 1 Cor 15:56 that the strength of sin is the Law :

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Death has its right to reign because its the result of sinning against the Law, so the Law gives sin its power , which sin gives death its power. Death is the consequence of sin Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sin here was against God's Law or Command first by Adam's transgression from this Law/Command Gen 2:16-17

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So sense we become dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, sin cannot be charged, and so death, all types of it, can no longer be a Lawful consequence, hence all for whom Christ died, as a matter of Divine Justice must be redeemed out of death, that does include but not limited to Spiritual Death. Paul says Christ has abolished death 2 Tim 1:10 !

Thats why its important for all whom Christ died to be made alive unto God, hence all for whom Christ died, to validate the Truth that He for them has abolished death and that by His Body they are dead to the Law, they must be made alive unto God or another way of saying it is that they must be born again Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

If all for whom Christ died are not made alive, its a miscarriage of Justice, and it means that Christ's death did not abolish death !678

 19 
 on: March 22, 2015, 05:46:33 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by The Changeling
Not following, I don't get my religion from message boards...

 20 
 on: March 22, 2015, 01:31:57 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
I see you still have a personal agenda/blog here...

Post 118 ? Do you understand the points made ?

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