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 11 
 on: February 23, 2015, 07:45:43 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, HOW ?being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

We need to understand something here from the jump, being redeemed is equivalent to being saved, being redeemed from the curse of the Law is Salvation, 100 % Salvation and ensures all the Blessings of Salvation !

Its the word exagorazō and means:


I.to redeem

A.by payment of a price to recover from the power of another, to ransom, buy off


B.metaph. of Christ freeing the elect from the dominion of the Mosaic Law at the price of his vicarious death



II.to buy up, to buy up for one's self, for one's use

A.to make wise and sacred use of every opportunity for doing good, so that zeal and well doing are as it were the purchase money by which we make the time our own

Redeemed from the power of the devil !

The end or purpose of this redemption is expressed in Gal 4:5

To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

This Adoption of Sons is receiving a nature that corresponds with and manifests those who have been redeemed as Sons. A nature is given that now combats the nature we have by nature in adam !

John Gill comments on Gal 4:5

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that we might receive the adoption of children; by which may be meant, both the grace, blessing, and privilege of adoption, and the inheritance adopted to; both are received, and that in consequence of redemption by Christ; and such as receive the one will also receive the other. Adoption, as a blessing of grace, exists before it is received; nor does the reception of it add anything to the thing itself; it was in God's designation from all eternity, who predestinated his chosen ones unto it by Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will; it was provided, laid up, and secured for them in the everlasting covenant; and is part of that grace given them in Christ before the world began; but sin intervening, whereby the law was broken, obstacles were thrown in the way of God's elect receiving and enjoying this privilege in their own persons; wherefore Christ was sent to redeem them from sin and the law, and by so doing remove these obstructions, that so they might receive this privilege in a way consistent with the righteousness and holiness of God, as well as with his grace and goodness: receiving of it shows it to be a gift, a free grace gift, and not owing to any merit of the creature; faith is the hand which receives it, as it does all other blessings, as Christ himself, grace out of his fulness, righteousness, pardon, &c. and has no more causal influence on this than on any of these; faith does not make any the sons of God, or put them among the children; but receives the power, the authority, the privilege from God through Christ, under the witnessings of the spirit of adoption; whereby they become such, and have a right to the heavenly inheritance, which they shall hereafter enjoy.

Now again, Christ's death is saving in that it redeems all them He died for out of the curse of the Law ! That one fact is Salvation ! Look what David writes about some in regards to God's Law Ps 119:21

Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments.

All men by nature are proud and err from God's Commandments and so deserve the curse,

But those Christ died for are redeemed from the curse of the Law, they are saved from the curse of the Law which equates to Salvation. The word curse katara means:

I.an execration, imprecation, curse,

what has "to go down" (penalties received) due to condemnation, i.e. the penalty-curse that results when God Himself curses (condemns) something.

men worthy of execration, 2 Peter 2:14; abstract for the concrete, one in whom the curse is exhibited, i. e. undergoing the appointed penalty of cursing, Galatians 3:13; ἐγώ κατάρα

Being under the curse is very solemn thing ! But now how are they redeemed out of the curse of the Law ? Is it by their Faith ? Their Repentance ?659

 12 
 on: February 22, 2015, 03:01:59 PM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The reason being, for non imputation of sin upon that world of people, God in His Eternal Purpose has already charged the condemnation of their sins to Christ [God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them]

Hence He was in the Purpose of God, the Lamb slain [for sins imputed] from the foundation Rev 13:8

 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Appointed before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

And so the Gospel Message is that of Non Imputation of Sin 2 Cor 5:18-19

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The question is when exactly was God in Christ reconciling the World to Himself, and not imputing their trespasses to them ? It was before the foundation in the Everlasting Covenant !

In John Gills excellent Paper on Eternal Justification, we read this:

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. The everlasting transaction, the same excellent writer thinks, is imported in #2Co 5:19. "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them". And the very learned Witsius {17} is of opinion, "that this act of God may be called, the general justification of the elect." And, indeed, since it was the determination of God, and the scheme and method he proposed to take in Christ for the reconciliation of the elect, not to impute their sins to them, but to his Son, their Surety; then seeing they are not imputed to them, but to him; and if reckoned and accounted to him, then not to them; and if charged to him, then they must be discharged from them, and so justified; and a non-imputation of sin to the elect, is no other than a justification of them; and thus the apostle strongly concludes the imputation of Christ's righteousness; which is the "formalis ratio", or the form of justification, from the non-imputation of sin, and the remission of it, #Ro 4:6-8.

http://www.mountzionpbc.org/Index/index04.htm

So the Non Imputation of sin is an Gospel Doctrine[2 Cor 5:19]is based upon Paul's Knowledge of the Eternal Purpose of God in Christ 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace[In the Everlasting Covenant], which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,137

 13 
 on: February 22, 2015, 11:04:50 AM 
Started by Worc - Last post by Kings_kid

Some of us have a big God, and some of us have large fruits.

And some are fruits with larger-growing God-concepts.

And some believe in neither the Highest Power (our Heavenly Dad) or fat fruits.

Oh, well, back to the Book, we go....

 14 
 on: February 22, 2015, 08:43:48 AM 
Started by BFDD - Last post by Worc
Post By MyBigGod

Kicking and screaming


I am still reasoning through this...My friend Pete is helping me in a big way...


 

The two wills of God are taught in two ways. The first way is that we are not completely justified when we are saved. We are only infused with justification as we justify ourselves. The second way it is taught is that we are fully justified when we are saved but under the teaching of sanctification we need further justification because God must discipline us in order to keep us from sinning. Therefore to be justified in our salvation our works on this earth represent this justification.

    This comes from a miss understanding of the OT relationship that Israel had with Jehovah. The separate teaching of justification gifted to us in salvation with justification as we view it from the angle of sanctification is applied to the OT from the NT teaching. But we are to examine the OT words and put the context of the teaching of the NT by the OT word usage of these words.
    You will find that in the OT Justification is viewed from the teaching of being blessed or being cursed. And in fact if you look at the covenant that God made with Abraham the success of the spread of the gospel us depended on these horizontal relationships as defined by these two groups...the blessed and the cursed. will stop here but I will give a very accurate argument against these two views from the words of the OT.

 15 
 on: February 22, 2015, 08:41:20 AM 
Started by Worc - Last post by Worc
Absolutely Do Agree With The Invite.


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 16 
 on: February 22, 2015, 12:03:14 AM 
Started by BFDD - Last post by BFDD
http://www.vox.com/2015/2/21/8077567/American-denial-PBS-film

 17 
 on: February 21, 2015, 12:36:05 PM 
Started by Kings_kid - Last post by Kings_kid

The prayer given to Christ's disciples, known as "the Lord's Prayer" (see Luke 11:2) is answered in every Believer's life, to one degree or another, at various times and places -- and it will be fully answered in the soon-coming Kingdom.

+++++++

"Our Father in Heaven"

In Christ, we begin to experience God as our perfect, Heavenly Dad/Father.

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by Whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

Galatians 4:6
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

+++++++

"hallowed be thy Name"

As adopted "children of Israel", we will keep His Name sacred and holy.

Leviticus 22:32
You shall not profane My holy Name, but I will be hallowed among the children of Israel. I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Ezekiel 36:23
"...the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes".

+++++++

"Your Kingdom come, Your Will be done
 on earth, as it is in Heaven"

We grow more into wanting His Will to be done in our lives, not our own, we begin to want nothing less than His Best (Christ), now and forever.

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Ephesians 6:5-7
Be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ; not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, with goodwill doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men.

+++++++

"Give us this day our daily bread/Bread"

We depend upon Him for our physical sustenance, and His spiritual Bread for our spirits.

Luke 12:24  Jesus:
Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which have neither storehouse nor barn; and God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds?

John 6:57-58  Jesus:
As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the Bread which came down from Heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this Bread will live forever.

+++++++

"And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who sin against us"

Because we can depend on Him to forgive us for so much (everything) in Christ Jesus, we are now free to forgive others through Him.

Ephesians 1:7
In Christ we have redemption through His Blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence...

1 John 2:12
I write to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His Name’s sake.

Ephesians 4:32
And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

+++++++

"And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one."

We begin to see that He never tempts us, but is ever ready to free us from the temptations of "the world, the flesh, and the devil" -- He leads us as the Good Shepherd.

Psalm 23:1-3
The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His Name’s sake.

James 1:13-14
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.  But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.

+++++++

And as we dwell in His Word, we grow to see more clearly: that His is the true Kingdom, His is all power, and to Him belongs all glory, forever and ever.

And our lives become our Amen!!!

 18 
 on: February 21, 2015, 12:33:27 PM 
Started by Worc - Last post by BigOrange
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 19 
 on: February 21, 2015, 11:51:31 AM 
Started by BFDD - Last post by BFDD
http://www.vox.com/2014/12/22/7431391/guess-where-white-americans-have-the-most-african-ancestry

 20 
 on: February 21, 2015, 03:02:35 AM 
Started by savedbygrace - Last post by savedbygrace
Did you know that all who are in time converted by the Gospel, which is a saving in and of itself, saved by the Power of the Gospel Rom 1:16

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation[conversion] to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1 Cor 1:18,21

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved[converted] it is the power of God.

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Saved by the Spirits Renewing/Sanctification Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2 Thess 2:13,14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel[The Power of God Rom 1:16], to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

These were already saved in te Purpose of God 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Now understand, In the Purpose of God, all for whom Christ would die for in Time @ the Cross of Calvery, to bare their sins in His own Body 1 Pet 2:24, they were already saved from their sins penalty incurred by Adam Rom 5:12 and with regard to their own personal sins Rom 5:16 and here the many offences comes from all the personal sins of those who at first sinned in their Federal and Natural head Adam, Adams sin was their inlet sin for the avalanche of sins they would commit upon physical birth;

Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.122

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