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1  Forums / Main Forum / Re: The justice of it all on: December 19, 2014, 12:41:14 PM

Note that the 10 Commandments, written directly by God, do not contain any curses or death penalties in them -- at all.  The Mosaic laws, however, are filled with curses and penalties.

I am in no way suggesting two equal sides in our obedience.  We are not righteous enough in ourselves for that to work.  All of the power, ability, and understanding / guidance come directly from Him, but we have the part of cooperating with Him, of "working out our salvation" as He works it in, or else we are suppressing His inspiration and the transformation He wants to accomplish in our lives.  (Fortunately He is supremely patient with us when we are "His kids".)

Again, i state my belief that the primary Commandments we are given, straight from God's Hand, are Promises of what He is making us into as we "abide in Him", as He abides in us.  We have to choose His loving Will over our human, self-centered wills, and in receiving ability and wisdom from Him to do His Will we grow/are grown into Christ's Image, and all glory goes to Him since we couldn't even know or be able to choose to cooperate without His direct involvement in our lives.

Every time we are acting from a heart of loving gratitude to Him, and following His internal instructions by His Spirit, we are "keeping His Commandments" even as Jesus keeps them in and through us.  In and of ourselves, apart from Christ, none of us keep His Commandments at any time, because to break even one of them, in behavior or in our innermost consciousness, is to break all of them.

James 2:8-12
"If you really fulfill the Royal Law according to the Scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the Law as transgressors.  For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.  For He who said, Do not commit adultery, also said, Do not murder. Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the Law.  So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of Liberty."

Romans 3:10  Paul:
"As it is written:

There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands;
there is none who seeks after God."

Only those who have Christ living in them, and are abiding in Him, have the possibility of being righteous in this life, and then only through Him, not through our own ability or strength or wisdom.
2  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Problems with posting on: December 19, 2014, 12:05:40 PM

Well, in the meantime, as we await "site resurrection", why don't we see if we can develop a more united approach -- somehow, (with Divine assistance).  I think we can agree on much regarding the Bible, for example, and i could use your help on a project i would like to do here.  It pertains to indexing some supporting evidences for the Scripture which have been posted at F&G over the last few years.  Interested?
3  Forums / Main Forum / Re: So.. Are We Done Here? on: December 19, 2014, 11:57:04 AM

So far, so good.  Guess we aren't done here yet...
4  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Christ in us Scriptures on: December 15, 2014, 10:25:14 PM

It seems very worthwhile to review the Scriptures in the first post above, occasionally.  After all, that is what defines a true Believer: His Life in us.  It is not the Cross which saves us, although it does reconcile us to God, but there is no unending Life apart from His indwelling us.

Romans 5:10 NKJV
"For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His Life."

Romans 5:10  Amplified
"For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, it is much more [certain], now that we are reconciled, that we shall be saved (daily delivered from sins dominion) through His [resurrection] Life."

5  Forums / Key Life Forum / Re: So what about pot? on: December 15, 2014, 10:13:47 PM

I agree with cat007's concerns, above.  And i also had the compulsion / obsession to use drugs removed by Christ, but not until i struggled for years with wanting to quit, not wanting to quit enough, wanting to quit more sincerely, etc, etc.  (By the way, jeffrey, i preferred "Afgan black" hashish, since it was soaked in opium, for whatever that's worth.)

I notice that the news makes it look like the states which legalize pot for "medicinal use" quickly find out that it rapidly gets out of control.  I'm sure i could have manufactured any number of pains that would require "doctor maryjane's services", when i wanted legal weed -- who couldn't?
6  Forums / Main Forum / Re: So.. Are We Done Here? on: December 14, 2014, 11:51:39 PM
This Site Was Rich With Differing Opinions, World Views & Theological Viewpoints.

What Made The KLF So Good Was The Eclectic Gang It Attracted.

Hiya worc -- i hope you come back to this forum.  Eclectics, unite!

By the way, i wanted to let you know that somehow God seems to have honored my prior promise to pray for you daily.  Every morning i seem to think of you before i wake up, and that leads to prayers for other people in my life too.  I was getting pretty "slack" about morning praying, but it has been more consistent since our earlier conversation.  So thanks.

Have any miracle-type things to share with us?  (I may have another one.)
7  Forums / Main Forum / Re: The justice of it all on: December 14, 2014, 11:31:38 PM

Not quite what i was saying.  God gave the 10 Commandments, Personally, in His Own hand-writing, to all mankind by way of the Israelites -- they were to be a "light to the nations".  The Mosaic laws were given through Moses, to Israel, to point forward to the coming Messiah, and to develop their trust in God and desire to obey Him -- it contained both blessings and curses.  

We may note that the "curse of the law" had to do with the "death laws", but the 10 Commandments do not contain any penalties within them -- they are Promises to us, all of us who believe, that in Christ we will progressively in this life, and perfectly in the next Life, keep the heart of those Laws of love, since Christ is the One Who gave them to mankind, and He is the only One Who can keep them correctly, in and through us.

We recall that the "New Covenant" is that God will write His Laws on our hearts and minds, from inside us.  His eternal Laws of love, the Commandments He wrote down for us, were never abolished or ended, they were fulfilled in Jesus, and will be fulfilled through Him living in us in the Kingdom.

I don't know what you are off into, in using the term "pragmatism".  I am going by what the Scriptures say, not what seems to human minds to "work".  As we abide in Christ, He grows us into His image, and thus He fills-full His Law/Promises in our lives.  And we "work out" the salvation graces which He works into us.

Philippians 2:12-13  Amplified
"Therefore, my dear ones, as you have always obeyed [my suggestions], so now, not only [with the enthusiasm you would show] in my presence but much more because I am absent, work out (cultivate, carry out to the goal, and fully complete) your own salvation with reverence and awe and trembling (self-distrust, with serious caution, tenderness of conscience, watchfulness against temptation, timidly shrinking from whatever might offend God and discredit the name of Christ).

"[Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight."

And thus, He will bring it about, as He has commanded us:  "If you love Me, you will keep my Commandments".  We will fully do so in the coming Kingdom, joyfully, righteously, in His power and direction -- forever.
8  Forums / Main Forum / Re: The justice of it all on: December 12, 2014, 11:57:10 AM

I imagine most here know my position anyway, but i like to share it, since it may make sense to someone besides me.

The OT "death laws" were instituted in the formation of the nation of Israel in order to develop a people who could be used by Him to bring forth the whole Law, the Scriptures and the Messiah.

But it is incorrect to say that all of the Law of God was ended by Christ on the Cross.  The 10 Commandments (which imply their 2 summary statements of love) were written by God Himself on stone tablets, twice, and were placed into the Ark of the Covenant under the "Mercy Seat" where the Glory of God sat in the "Holy of Holies" place within the Tabernacle/Temple.  They are eternal principles which derive from the very nature of the Lord as being "perfect love".

The Mosaic laws, on the other hand, were given through Moses rather than written directly by God.  They were written, not on stone, but on the equivalent of parchment, and were placed outside the Ark to show their relatively temporary nature.  And they were fulfilled by, and terminated by Christ.

We might note that Jesus didn't enforce the many "death laws" in dealing with people (since He would have had to kill everyone), but rather asked the person who had no sin to cast the first stone (and He Who had no sin didn't cast it).  So mercy triumphed over judgment in His ministry.

But the "top 10" (and therefore the 2 summaries to love God and other people completely), are Promises ("thou shalt, really" one Day -- with no doubt about it if you receive the Source of Life/Love into yourself).  And all those who do not receive as Savior the true Law-Giver, internally, are rejecting the unending existence of righteousness with Him, which He so passionately desires to give us.

Luke 9:56  Jesus:
"For the Son of Man did not come to destroy mens lives but to save them.

John 12:47 Jesus:
"And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world."
9  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Elitist to say Jesus is the only Way? on: December 12, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
It seems odd to me that even a believer who can't accept that He and His way is completely unique and the one way, are not still so overwhelmed and aware of His superiority in love, grace, mercy, tenderness, humility, kindness, etc,

This past Sunday  at the church we attend,  three of the lead choir singers did a beautiful rendition of the song "He's More Than Wonderful."  It's one of my favorites, and I thoroughly enjoyed the beautiful lyrics that seek to put into words how our minds can barely conceive of our Lord's love, grace, mercy, etc.   We can hardly imagine.

That is one of my favorite songs.  For those who may not know it, and don't want to look it up, here are the words.


He promised us that He would be a Counselor
A Mighty God and the Prince of Peace
He promised us that He would be a Father
And that He would love us with a love that would not cease.

Well, I tried Him and I found His promises are true
Hes everything He said that He would be.
The finest words I know could not begin to tell
Just what Jesus really means to me.

For Hes more wonderful than my mind can conceive
Hes more wonderful than my heart can believe
He goes beyond my highest hopes and fondest dreams.
Hes everything that my soul ever longed for
Everything Hes promised and so much more
More than amazing, more than marvelous
More than miraculous could ever be
Hes more than wonderful, thats what Jesus is to me!

I stand amazed when I think that the King of glory
Should come to dwell within the heart of man
I marvel just to know He really loves me
When I think of who He is, and who I am.

For Hes more wonderful than my mind can conceive
Hes more wonderful than my heart can believe
He goes beyond my highest hopes and fondest dreams.
Hes everything that my soul ever longed for
Everything Hes promised and so much more
More than amazing, more than marvelous,
More than miraculous could ever be
Hes more than wonderful, thats what Jesus is to me!
10  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Just What DO you Think of Me? on: December 12, 2014, 11:22:45 AM

Personally, i prefer people who are almost as obnoxious as i am.  Decreases the loneliness factor.

And you, Jeff, are one of the few people posting here who seem to have a loving trust in the Scriptures, which overrides any personality flaws you may think you possess.
11  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Can't think of a clever title for this thread on: December 12, 2014, 11:19:09 AM

Well, i, for one, won't contradict you on what you are saying.

Far be it from me to have "deep psychological problems".

 cheesy  Shocked  Grin
12  Forums / Main Forum / Re: New Here? Read This First! on: December 11, 2014, 10:40:35 AM

Well, it looks like F&G is back to usability again.  So we should make a special effort to encourage new posters (or old returnees) to join in.

Please do.
13  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Eternal torture appears dead at last on: December 11, 2014, 10:30:15 AM

After a prolonged, enforced absence, i am grateful to have another opportunity to keep this particular topic open for discussion.  It is very good to see what Scripture actually says about how our perfect Dad is going to deal with those who persistently reject His love for them.  (Check out the first post above in this topic if you haven't done so yet, and see what His Book says, instead of what theologians have taught us -- in my not-so-humble opinion, of course...)

And i praise God, if this actually gets posted!
14  Forums / Main Forum / Re: MESSAGE FROM KEY LIFE on: December 11, 2014, 10:20:14 AM

Ahhh, such a relief!  I thought i was personally banned from posting here -- no postings got through.  If this one makes it, then Chad or someone has fixed a major blockage (at least temporarily).  Seriously, i took it as God telling me i needed to take a break from the dialogue action, and i'm glad it worked out that way.

I would be opposed to the idea that someone mentioned about tying F&G into facebook in some way, because i avoid the "social networking" sites, deliberately.  But i do hope you can give the forums more attention, especially in regular checkups on error messages and posting capabilities.  Thanks -- and i agree Bill B. would be a good moderator if he has the time.  I could help or be a backup, though i understand that i am a little too confrontational to volunteer often.

Here we go, the first posting attempt in weeks: will grace carry me through?
15  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Eternal torture appears dead at last on: October 18, 2014, 08:42:54 PM

The author seems to miss the possibility that it is the "works of faith" which show our salvation, not our self-determined-righteousness.  When we do "good" deeds in our strength, following our own self-centered desires, we are not abiding in Christ, following His internal instructions, depending on His power and ability.  So living faith, which only comes from the Spirit, saves by grace to do the works of Christ through us, but any "faith" without His work being unfolded is dead.  It is not "head-level agreement" which saves, but only trusting dependence on Jesus resulting in "keeping His Commandments" -- not perfectly, in this life, but willingness to grow in Him.

And He has told us that He will send away those who pretend to be His, but their "hearts are far from Him".  For they never really knew Him, so He did not "know" them in the way He does those who receive Him for Who He is.
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