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1  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Learn Modern Hebrew Or Biblical Hebrew Online & Free on: Today at 11:40:55 AM

I started to say "God bless you, worc" -- then i though maybe it would be interesting to look it up in Hebrew.  Here's what i found:


The Priestly Blessing of Numbers 6:24-26 KJV

The LORD (YHWH) bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD (YHWH) make His face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD (YHWH) lift up His countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Hebrew pronunciation:

yevarechecha Adonai veyishmerechah
 ya’eyr Adonai panav eylechah vichunekah
 yissa Adonai panav eylechah
 veyaseym lecha shalom

There you go, my blessed man.  And to hear it there is a video at:
2  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Learn Modern Hebrew Or Biblical Hebrew Online & Free on: March 04, 2015, 11:15:22 AM



(which i understand as "Congratulations, to Life"!!!)

There's a lot i don't understand about Hebrew, but i like what i do understand.

Pretty soon i'll share some info (in the Outline: Scripture supporting evidences topic) on the ancient "word pictures" which are very much like God would have given the Israelites as their first Hebrew language, when He wrote the 10 Commandments in stone with His finger.  It's exciting info...have you heard about it yet?
3  Forums / Main Forum / Re: I Love It When on: March 04, 2015, 11:08:25 AM

Sorry, i have been a little "out of touch" -- i'm on vacation to the coast.

Glad to hear that you are getting a little break also, and that you're still human, in spite of the forces that would turn our hearts to stone...

And i agree on the "imploding" -- wish it didn't have to be that way, but it sure sounds like the ancient prophecies being fulfilled, doesn't it?  The Good News just keeps getting better : He's coming back, this time to RULE!!!

It must seem very hopeless to those who see the world imploding, but don't have faith in God's answer to mankind's self-destruction.  I remember those "pre-Christ" days in my own life, and it was miserable.

Glad He found us, we who were so lost and blind!
4  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Our riches in Christ on: February 26, 2015, 10:14:05 AM

This topic seems to get forgotten in streams of other topics.  But isn't it good to review, occasionally, our riches in Him which the Scripture reveals in the first post above...
5  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Eternal torture appears dead at last on: February 26, 2015, 10:08:11 AM

Continuing a look at universalism in contrast to the Scriptures outlined in the first post in this topic.


B.  On God as Fire:

  1.  Both the OT and NT say "Our God is a consuming fire".   Deu 4:24, Heb 12:29
  2.  The unrighteous are consumed by the breath of God's anger.  Job 4:8-9
  3.  Sinners and transgressors will be destroyed, consumed.  Isa 1:28
  4.  Their end will be like fire devouring stubble, flames consuming chaff.  Isa 5:21-24
  5.  David prayed that sinners would be consumed from the earth and that the "wicked be no more".  Ps 59:13, 104:35
  6.  Anyone who does not abide in Christ will be burned up like a dead branch.  John 15:6
  7.  The Lake of Fire will burn up the finally lost as the Second Death.  Rev 20:14-15, 21:8


So someone wanting to defend the "universalist" position would need to show that after God consumes the lost/wicked in the Lake of Fire, He resurrects them from the ashes -- proving it from the Bible, not from their own ideas or wishful thinking. 

Plus, we need to remember that the final Fire never goes out and the "worm never dies" (though the bodies in the eternal Fire are dead, corpses, according to Isaiah 66:24).

6  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Index: Scripture-supporting evidences on: February 25, 2015, 11:39:00 AM

The area of "Bible codes" or "Torah codes" is a complicated and controversial subject.  General information can be found both on wikipedia and sites like  For our purposes in this Index, i will concentrate on two types of "equidistant letter sequences", as they are called.

The first relates to the word "Torah" as found hidden in the first 5 books of the Bible.  Naturally a Hebrew Bible must be used to count the letters that form the word.

[Info taken from]  In simplest terms, in the Hebrew text of the Book of Genesis, if you take the first (“T”) in the Book of Genesis, then count 49 letters, the next letter (the 50th) is (“O”); the next 50th is (“R”); and then the next 50th is (“H”). In other words, after the first “T”, in 50 letter increments, we find the letters spelling “Torah.”
[The "A" is not in the Hebrew spelling, but is implied.]

In the second Book, the Book of Exodus, we encounter the same result.  Starting with the first ("T), every 50th letter spells "Torah".  What are the odds that this would hold true for both Books by random chance...

In the fourth Book of the Torah, the Book of Numbers, we discover this 49 letter interval works with “HROT,” that is, TORH backwards.  A similar 49 letter interval also appears in the fifth Book the Torah, the Book of Deuteronomy. However, in the Book of Deuteronomy the interval starts in the fifth verse instead of the first.

Why the fifth verse? According to the Talmud, the Book of Deuteronomy doesn’t begin until the fifth verse where it states “On the other side of the Jordan, in the land of Moab, Moses undertook to expound the Torah…”

That leaves the middle Book of Torah, which is Leviticus.  The "Torah" sequence does not hold, but instead, a seven letter increment works for the Name of God, YHWH, which is usually translated into English as LORD in capital letters (in most Bibles).  Starting with the first "Y" in Leviticus, use a skip of 7 to find the "H", "W" and "H".  (Of course, 7 is God's special number and YHWH is His personal Name given to us nearly 7,000 times in the Older Testament.)

So we see that it appears that in the first 5 Books, (often called the "Torah" or the "Teaching"), the encoded word "Torah" points to YHWH, two times forward in two consecutive Books, and two times backward in two consecutive Books.  Granted this could be a coincidence, but i offer it as just one more possible evidence that the Scripture is the actual Word of God, and that it contains many more features proving its authenticity than generally meets the eye.

Next in this section of the Index we will look at some Messianic equidistant letter sequences in some passages, pointing to Jesus.

[Note: professor Daniel Michaelson, in his article, "B’OR Ha Torah, Codes in the Torah", addresses in detail the mathematical probability of these Torah codes and concludes that “the probability of such a coincidence is about one in three million!”  

see footnote 4 at]
7  Forums / Main Forum / Re: I Love It When on: February 24, 2015, 11:28:35 AM
I don't know much more about the priest, except that it was in Detroit about 30 years ago.  But what you just shared reminded me of a more recent friend i met in a local church.  His name is James B. and he spent a lot of years (decades) as an undercover drug agent for various agencies.  He was a very active member of the "hell's angels", and "mongrels" motorcycle gangs.  Toughest of the tough, i guess.

He had to completely "act the part" to gain their confidence, including taking the drugs and participating in the frequent violence.  He is rough-looking, with many tatoos, and when i first met him he had long stringy hair and a huge "handle-bar moustache", and dressed/walked like he just got off a Harley (because he had).

Anyway, James got convicted by the Holy Spirit that he had gone too far into "the dark side" and needed to "get clean" -- he met Jesus, and started going to church.  As i watched him come in, and begin to change, i was amazed.  The moustache and hair got shorter and then shorter, the roughness began to soften, he started dressing more "normally", etc.

And, though he had dropped out of school early, he got his GED and then was moved to go to a local seminary -- he did well in his coursework (which he knew was due to the power of God, not his own nature) and graduated in a few years as an ordained minister.  He leads a Christian 12 step recovery program plus other ministries within the little country church.

At first he was kind of "in hiding" in case some of the bikers he had helped put behind bars came after him.  But his trust in the Lord grew and he lost his fear -- as far as i know, no one came after him to kill him, even though there was a program about him on tv.

Another amazing inspiration!  A bit like David Wilkerson: remember "The Cross and the Switchblade"?  One thing you might appreciate about Jame's story is that he says it was difficult coming off the drugs he had to take to conceal his identity, but even more it was very difficult to let go of the "feelings of absolute power" that comes with being a hard-core biker gang member/leader.  When a person has the reputation and ability to do anything necessary to maintain their position and standing in the gang, and has the money and guns to back it up, anything goes....  Evil personified.  Know what i mean?

Praise the Lord that He can turn around, and heal, and use, the worst of the worst of us!
8  Forums / Main Forum / Re: I Love It When on: February 23, 2015, 10:57:19 AM

Yes, i think i can "read between the lines", worc.  And i appreciate your work, very much, even if i can't get the exact details.

Reminds me of a guy i met one time, long ago, when i was getting sober and off drugs.  He was a catholic priest.  A strange, wonderful, one.

He had a "forced treatment center", you might say.  A place where he brought low-bottom drunks against their will.  He had been given a donation of an old beat-up fire truck, which he rode around town (a major city), followed by a small pack of large dogs he had accumulated also.

And when the priest saw a man (or woman) passed out on the streets, he stopped his fire truck.  Got out and told the person to come with him, they were going to get sober.  If they talked back or resisted, he took off his "collar", punched the person knocking them out, put the "collar" back on, then hauled them to his fire truck and took them to his "protective home for sobriety", and wouldn't let them out until they had a serious chance to get, and stay sober.

The police knew all about him, and "kept their hands off", because they were so appreciative of what he was doing.  Truly a legend -- though not always a successful one.  He admitted that his success rate was only 20% or so.  But that was 20% that no one else was reaching, they were just dieing on the streets.  Plus, some of those down-and-out "victims of street violence" stayed sober and in gratitude helped out in his ministry.

Thought you would like to know about that.  Betcha, if i knew all the facts, i'd know you are a legend in your own way.  Jesus says so (as far as i can hear)....
9  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Index: Scripture-supporting evidences on: February 23, 2015, 10:33:26 AM

Another evidence for the Scripture relates to the prayer used by nearly all 12 step fellowships to begin their meetings.  (See separate topic on the Scriptural principles which are the foundation for the "12 steps".)

Sin addictions of all kinds are caused by/associated with intense self-centeredness, to one degree or another.  The basic book of AA calls this, "self-will run riot".  It is a shutting out of God's spiritual directions and impulses, and a following of personal desires and pleasures to the extreme.

The most common use of the "Serenity Prayer" uses the first part of the original prayer, so it will be given first -- the second part will be covered after that.

"God grant me serenity
To accept the things i cannot change,
Courage to change the things i can,
And the wisdom to know the difference."

The insanity and "unmanageability" of addictions is largely due to trying to change things which we cannot, being afraid to make the changes which we need to, and not knowing the difference between what we should focus on changing, with God's help and direction, and what we should accept (such as other people, places and things over which we are not granted power/ability to control).

So the simple prayer, when prayed with heart-felt sincerity, is answered by God with growing serenity, courage and wisdom, all of which come only "from above".  Often these three traits are unfolded by Him through the actions and framework of the Gift of the 12 steps. 

Christ humbly empowers us to accept/change/be wise, rescuing us (while usually acting anonymously) until we are ready to know the "Highest Power" for Who He is, not just what we can receive from Him.  Which leads us to the second part of the original prayer.

"Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He/Jesus did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him Forever in the next. Amen."

And as we grow in Him, He patiently teaches us to live more fully in each day, enjoying more of the day's precious moments, appreciating hardships as opportunities for His peace to prevail, not trying to force our own will onto the world, but turning to/trusting in His Will and Way, and so, in Him, we find progressively more joy in this life, and yet look forward to the completion of that joy when we finally see Him "eye-to-eye", "face-to-face", "hug-to-hug", and are transformed into His Image, permanently.

1 John 3:2
"Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."

1 Corinthians 2:9-10
"As it is written:
'Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.' 
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit.
For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit Who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God."
10  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Biggee Is Having Trouble Posting on: February 22, 2015, 11:04:50 AM

Some of us have a big God, and some of us have large fruits.

And some are fruits with larger-growing God-concepts.

And some believe in neither the Highest Power (our Heavenly Dad) or fat fruits.

Oh, well, back to the Book, we go....
11  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Index: Scripture-supporting evidences on: February 21, 2015, 12:36:05 PM

The prayer given to Christ's disciples, known as "the Lord's Prayer" (see Luke 11:2) is answered in every Believer's life, to one degree or another, at various times and places -- and it will be fully answered in the soon-coming Kingdom.


"Our Father in Heaven"

In Christ, we begin to experience God as our perfect, Heavenly Dad/Father.

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by Whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

Galatians 4:6
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”


"hallowed be thy Name"

As adopted "children of Israel", we will keep His Name sacred and holy.

Leviticus 22:32
You shall not profane My holy Name, but I will be hallowed among the children of Israel. I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Ezekiel 36:23
"...the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes".


"Your Kingdom come, Your Will be done
 on earth, as it is in Heaven"

We grow more into wanting His Will to be done in our lives, not our own, we begin to want nothing less than His Best (Christ), now and forever.

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Ephesians 6:5-7
Be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ; not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, with goodwill doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men.


"Give us this day our daily bread/Bread"

We depend upon Him for our physical sustenance, and His spiritual Bread for our spirits.

Luke 12:24  Jesus:
Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which have neither storehouse nor barn; and God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds?

John 6:57-58  Jesus:
As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the Bread which came down from Heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this Bread will live forever.


"And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who sin against us"

Because we can depend on Him to forgive us for so much (everything) in Christ Jesus, we are now free to forgive others through Him.

Ephesians 1:7
In Christ we have redemption through His Blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence...

1 John 2:12
I write to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His Name’s sake.

Ephesians 4:32
And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.


"And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one."

We begin to see that He never tempts us, but is ever ready to free us from the temptations of "the world, the flesh, and the devil" -- He leads us as the Good Shepherd.

Psalm 23:1-3
The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His Name’s sake.

James 1:13-14
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.  But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.


And as we dwell in His Word, we grow to see more clearly: that His is the true Kingdom, His is all power, and to Him belongs all glory, forever and ever.

And our lives become our Amen!!!
12  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Eternal torture appears dead at last on: February 20, 2015, 09:43:42 AM

Here is a beginning response to "universalism", using the information presented in the first post above, the outline of "conditional immortality" in Scripture.  Starting with the first section:


A.  On immortality:

  1.  Jesus Christ alone has immortality at the present time.  1 Tim 1:17, 1 Tim 6:16
  2.  Adam and Eve were banned from the Garden of Eden so they would not become immortal as sinners.  Gen 3:22-23
  3.  Believers in Christ will "put on immortality" at the First Resurrection.  1 Cor 15:52-54
  4.  Believers seek "glory, honor and immortality" in Christ.  Rom 2:5-9
  5.  Unbelievers are never said to be given immortality (please search Scriptures to verify).
  6.  The "lost" are now perishing without the Savior Who is Life.  John 3:15-16, 1 Cor 1:18
  7.  Those who never repent will perish in the End.  Luke 13:3-5, 2 Peter 3:9 


People desiring to be "universalists" need to find a place in Scripture where it is stated that the "lost", after they perish, are eventually given immortal bodies.  Or a passage which says that after a sufficient period of time in the Lake of Fire, the lost are taken out of the fire to be given the Life of Christ which is the only eternal Life available.
13  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Christ in us Scriptures on: February 20, 2015, 09:37:46 AM

Here it is a month later, and the same things is true:

I got inspired to notice that the word "examine" is used many times in the OT, in the Book of Leviticus, referring to the priest/High priest investigating sacrificial animals for blemishes and people with sores / plagues / leprosy, (or healed from them) etc.

But in the Newer Testament, it appears (in the NKJV at least) in only one place:

In 2nd Corinthians Chapter 13, we are instructed to examine ourselves, to test ourselves, to see if Christ is alive and dwelling in us.  Check it out -- see if that isn't true...

(Of course, if you're not sure about it, you can always ask Him, right now, to come into you to take over your life/will -- to move you into greater conformity with His Will -- and to give you certainty that He has done exactly that.  He rejoices to give us His very best, which is Himself.....if you didn't know that already.    Grin )
14  Forums / Main Forum / Re: I Love It When on: February 19, 2015, 11:31:18 PM

Well, worc, that is more than a "coincidence" -- as usual.

Right beside my computer monitor on my desk in my bedroom there is a small menorah (7 branches like the original described in the Bible), and i have a small shofar (ram's horn) coming out of it, ready to announce the coming of the Messiah!

I also was given a love for the Jews and Israel when i became a Believer, especially since Jesus was one of both of them...  It thrills my heart to hear that when a devout Muslim comes to believe in Christ, that he/she also begins to love them, even if they hated the Jews before.  And, of course, hard-core Jews who once hated Muslims, begin to love them after they receive Christ as Savior.

And if there are any hard-core Muslims or Jews (or other kinds of folks) who hate their enemies strongly reading here, please consider that Jesus Christ died for all the sins of all the people of all time -- if they will only receive God's forgiveness and eternal Life in Him.  Please, please, consider this carefully, my potential spiritual family-member.  Worc and i would be very glad to have you as a "Blood-relative in Christ", wouldn't we worc!

[By the way, i understand that you might not exactly agree with my implied theology, worc, but i'd bet you agree with this invitation, anyway, right brother?]

2 Corinthians 5:17-21
"Now all things are of God, Who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and has committed to us the Word of reconciliation.

"Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.  For He made Him Who knew no sin (Jesus) to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
15  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Index: Scripture-supporting evidences on: February 18, 2015, 11:49:09 PM

A special case of the number 7, involves 7 times 70, or 490, which occurs in two significant places.

First, let's look at a famous saying by Jesus and then look back to what He may have been referring to, directly or indirectly.

Matthew 18:21-22
"Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”

Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven."

The other place where 70 times 7, or 490, occurs is in Daniel.

Daniel 9:23-26  [The angel Gabriel is speaking to Daniel, following his long prayer confessing the sins of his people, and himself, in verses 3 through 19 of chapter 9:]

"At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:

“Seventy sevens (usually translated "weeks" or 7 prophetic years) are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven sevens (usually translated "weeks") and sixty-two sevens (usually translated "weeks");
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times."

“And after the sixty-two sevens (usually translated "weeks")
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary..."

In his book, "Number in Scripture", E.G. Bullinger, says this:

is another combination of two of the perfect numbers, seven and ten. We have seen something of the significance of their sum under the number seventeen; their product is no less significant.

As compared with the sum of two numbers, the product exhibits the significance of each in an intensified form.

Hence 7 x 10 signifies perfect spiritual order carried out with all spiritual power and significance. Both spirit and order are greatly emphasized."

He also states it points to the 70 nation-people-groups listed in Genesis 10, the 70 souls of Genesis 46, 70 elders in the precursor to the Sanhedrin, 70 disciples sent out by Jesus, and especially connects it to Jerusalem.

When Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, came against Israel, the people gathered in Jerusalem (see Jeremiah 35:11). They were taken captive and most were taken to Babylon where they remained 70 years.  

The people of Israel had not obeyed their God, symbolized by their neglect of keeping the Commandment to let the land lie "fallow" (unplanted, unharvested) one year in seven (the Sabbatical year).  

After they were returned to the land, they were given 490 (70 X 7) years to "finish the transgression", then when Christ came, He made "an end of sins" (on the Cross), He made "reconciliation for iniquity", He brought in "everlasting righteousness",  He sealed up "vision and prophecy", and "anointed the Most Holy place".

And, through His love, we are to forgive like Jesus forgave.  The perfect number times the perfect number times the number of spiritual order.

Ephesians 4:32
"And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you."
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